R56 Auto vs. Manual (please don't kill me)
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Auto vs. Manual (please don't kill me)
Roadfly.com has a review up on youtube for the r56 mcs.
Now this may just spark a huge war between myself and the manuals, but they found in their test that the automatic beat out the manual in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile runs (14.9 for the manual, 14.77 for the auto).
Yes I agree a manual is more fun to drive, and would beat out the auto in a true track race, but for this specific argument, do you think it has merit? If yes, what is giving the auto this edge if not... rant away.
EDIT: may help to have the video review (the part i am talking about is at the end)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70RFE0_I9tg
Now this may just spark a huge war between myself and the manuals, but they found in their test that the automatic beat out the manual in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile runs (14.9 for the manual, 14.77 for the auto).
Yes I agree a manual is more fun to drive, and would beat out the auto in a true track race, but for this specific argument, do you think it has merit? If yes, what is giving the auto this edge if not... rant away.
EDIT: may help to have the video review (the part i am talking about is at the end)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70RFE0_I9tg
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Roadfly.com has a review up on youtube for the r56 mcs.
Now this may just spark a huge war between myself and the manuals, but they found in their test that the automatic beat out the manual in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile runs (14.9 for the manual, 14.77 for the auto).
Yes I agree a manual is more fun to drive, and would beat out the auto in a true track race, but for this specific argument, do you think it has merit? If yes, what is giving the auto this edge if not... rant away.
EDIT: may help to have the video review (the part i am talking about is at the end)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70RFE0_I9tg
Now this may just spark a huge war between myself and the manuals, but they found in their test that the automatic beat out the manual in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile runs (14.9 for the manual, 14.77 for the auto).
Yes I agree a manual is more fun to drive, and would beat out the auto in a true track race, but for this specific argument, do you think it has merit? If yes, what is giving the auto this edge if not... rant away.
EDIT: may help to have the video review (the part i am talking about is at the end)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70RFE0_I9tg
They either seriously messed up on the gearing on the Getrag or someone doesn't know what they're doing.
On the track, hand's down, given equal driver skill a stick shift should win.
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There's no way that an automatic could beat a 6-sp in 0-60 or 1/4 mile runs unless the person driving the stick didnt' want to win, or doesn't know how to drive. Any slushbox auto is going to have 5-10% higher drivetrain losses, not to mention it weighs more, and shifts sooner.
On the track, hand's down, given equal driver skill a stick shift would win.
On the track, hand's down, given equal driver skill a stick shift would win.
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There's no way that an automatic could beat a 6-sp in 0-60 or 1/4 mile runs unless the person driving the stick didnt' want to win, or doesn't know how to drive. Any slushbox auto is going to have 5-10% higher drivetrain losses, not to mention it weighs more, and shifts sooner.
They either seriously messed up on the gearing on the Getrag or someone doesn't know what they're doing.
On the track, hand's down, given equal driver skill a stick shift should win.
They either seriously messed up on the gearing on the Getrag or someone doesn't know what they're doing.
On the track, hand's down, given equal driver skill a stick shift should win.
well for one you speak of the the manual "6-sp" as if the auto wasn't one. yeah its heavier, but I have to admit where it may be useless in the manual, the "sport" button seems to make the auto shift ALOT more aggressively. And for the driver aspect there were pro drivers there as well as auto writers that test drive autos and manuals on a daily basis. They have never reported this on another vehicle, from what I have experienced.
And as for any "slushbox" the vw DSG spanks the manual everytime, thank you.
On track.... agreed
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my ma said that auto was quicker on the 1/4 mile... and i honestly wasnt really all that surprised...
doesnt bother me at all cuz like lynnel said, its more flexiable and when you drive manual, you are in control.
this is going to be my first manual car and i have very little/no experience driving in manual... but i was given the choice between the two and i chose manual.
doesnt bother me at all cuz like lynnel said, its more flexiable and when you drive manual, you are in control.
this is going to be my first manual car and i have very little/no experience driving in manual... but i was given the choice between the two and i chose manual.
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my ma said that auto was quicker on the 1/4 mile... and i honestly wasnt really all that surprised...
doesnt bother me at all cuz like lynnel said, its more flexiable and when you drive manual, you are in control.
this is going to be my first manual car and i have very little/no experience driving in manual... but i was given the choice between the two and i chose manual.
doesnt bother me at all cuz like lynnel said, its more flexiable and when you drive manual, you are in control.
this is going to be my first manual car and i have very little/no experience driving in manual... but i was given the choice between the two and i chose manual.
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Now now, we are all mini owners here, and all know and realize the import things in life...
But this was just a question on drag times. I completely agree with you and I am sure everyone else here does. I was just hoping for a technical explanation on how mini is breaking the rules of driving law on this one matter.
I do own an auto, but I dive rt. 50 in to D.C. and at 7am with gridlock and traffic lights I just don't really have the want to play with a clutch every morning that much, so tiptronics are a necessary replacement. If I was still in college, or out away from grid lock for 80% of my drive I would soooooo go back.
Second Part I wonder if they used the tiptronics or just let the auto do all the work for their test runs?
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DSG is truly a miracle of modern engineering IMO. From what I've read about it though, it seems to be closer to a manual transmission (w/ dual shafts and automatic clutches) than a traditional automatic transmission.
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My retort:
well for one you speak of the the manual "6-sp" as if the auto wasn't one. yeah its heavier, but I have to admit where it may be useless in the manual, the "sport" button seems to make the auto shift ALOT more aggressively. And for the driver aspect there were pro drivers there as well as auto writers that test drive autos and manuals on a daily basis. They have never reported this on another vehicle, from what I have experienced.
And as for any "slushbox" the vw DSG spanks the manual everytime, thank you.
On track.... agreed
well for one you speak of the the manual "6-sp" as if the auto wasn't one. yeah its heavier, but I have to admit where it may be useless in the manual, the "sport" button seems to make the auto shift ALOT more aggressively. And for the driver aspect there were pro drivers there as well as auto writers that test drive autos and manuals on a daily basis. They have never reported this on another vehicle, from what I have experienced.
And as for any "slushbox" the vw DSG spanks the manual everytime, thank you.
On track.... agreed
Pushing the clutch in and raking through the gears is the point of a manual transmission to me, not the fact that it has a faster 0-60. In most cases unless you actually have racing experience you won't be able to notice any difference in 0-60 times or anything with a stick vs auto (Except for torque converter auto's that "Gear Search" and have sluggish lockup's).
I rode in an 08 MCS just yesterday and watched as the transmission tried to figure out when to lock the torque converter and when to slip it. This makes for abrupt lockup's and sloppy gear changes, and often times creates "Voids" after the shifts before the transmission actually locks and starts moving power to the wheels.
Both the driver and myself have racing experience, and I can assure you, I never slip my clutch for a second after each shift , and if we were on the track in that car, not only would the transmission be toast in 20-30 sessions, but it wouldn't be at all competitive.
On a tangent, if you're looking at the MCS and trying to decide what transmission to buy based on which gives better 1/4 mile drag times, you're stuck on the wrong decision. It doesn't matter which transmission you have, a front wheel drive, short wheelbase economy car ISN'T a drag car!!!
I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on my engine, and a stock mustang GT could still kick my *** in a 1/4 mile. The second you hit the gas 50% of your traction is shifted to the rear wheels (Whoops!).
These aren't drag cars. They'll run circles around faster, more expensive cars on tight tracks, but they don't excel in straight line racing.
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Now now, we are all mini owners here, and all know and realize the import things in life...
But this was just a question on drag times. I completely agree with you and I am sure everyone else here does. I was just hoping for a technical explanation on how mini is breaking the rules of driving law on this one matter.
I do own an auto, but I dive rt. 50 in to D.C. and at 7am with gridlock and traffic lights I just don't really have the want to play with a clutch every morning that much, so tiptronics are a necessary replacement. If I was still in college, or out away from grid lock for 80% of my drive I would soooooo go back.
Second Part I wonder if they used the tiptronics or just let the auto do all the work for their test runs?
But this was just a question on drag times. I completely agree with you and I am sure everyone else here does. I was just hoping for a technical explanation on how mini is breaking the rules of driving law on this one matter.
I do own an auto, but I dive rt. 50 in to D.C. and at 7am with gridlock and traffic lights I just don't really have the want to play with a clutch every morning that much, so tiptronics are a necessary replacement. If I was still in college, or out away from grid lock for 80% of my drive I would soooooo go back.
Second Part I wonder if they used the tiptronics or just let the auto do all the work for their test runs?
If you truly know how to drive in traffic with a stick its easier, or about equal to driving an auto. I've been driving only stick shifts for the last 3 years and wouldn't go back if someone held a gun to my head.
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well the traffic preference is debatable, but if you ever get to use the gas, your not on my level in traffic.
As for the bmw smg comment, what exactly is the MINI's auto transmission. I thought it was just a basic 6ps tipronic.are they running the DCT? I thought DCT was Dual Clutch Transmission
As for the bmw smg comment, what exactly is the MINI's auto transmission. I thought it was just a basic 6ps tipronic.are they running the DCT? I thought DCT was Dual Clutch Transmission
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well the traffic preference is debatable, but if you ever get to use the gas, your not on my level in traffic.
As for the bmw smg comment, what exactly is the MINI's auto transmission. I thought it was just a basic 6ps tipronic.are they running the DCT? I thought DCT was Dual Clutch Transmission
As for the bmw smg comment, what exactly is the MINI's auto transmission. I thought it was just a basic 6ps tipronic.are they running the DCT? I thought DCT was Dual Clutch Transmission
The MINI Auto is an Aisen F-21 Automatic transmission with tiptronic, and a torque converter.
Reading on what exactly a torque converter is and why it cannot be as efficient as a clutch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque_converter