Drivetrain Vishnu PROcede for MINI
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Dustin,
Can we also assume a turbo back exhaust system?
Can we also assume a turbo back exhaust system?
Hi Ryan,
We are very early in the stages of development at the moment. At this point, we know the PROcede will control the necessities of ignition advance, Fueling control and boost control. Beyond that, further development is needed to determine what else will need to be adapted.
-D
We are very early in the stages of development at the moment. At this point, we know the PROcede will control the necessities of ignition advance, Fueling control and boost control. Beyond that, further development is needed to determine what else will need to be adapted.
-D
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#30
Update: We made some good progress today with respect to timing and boost control. The development we poured into the 335i application is certainly helping us out with the Mini project. Will keep you guys posted as things progress further. Might have some dyno numbers for you within the next couple of weeks :]
-shiv
-shiv
#33
As soon as I saw the announcement that Vishnu was going to tune the R56 I knew one thing: I can never buy an R56!
I've seen the reports on the Vishnu-tuned Evos, and they seem to be amazing cars. I don't even want to know how good their MINIs are going to be.
I'm just gonna drive my R53 forever, and adopt a don't-ask-don't-tell policy when it comes to the magic these folks work on the R56. But the rest of y'all have fun!
I've seen the reports on the Vishnu-tuned Evos, and they seem to be amazing cars. I don't even want to know how good their MINIs are going to be.
I'm just gonna drive my R53 forever, and adopt a don't-ask-don't-tell policy when it comes to the magic these folks work on the R56. But the rest of y'all have fun!
#35
Hi guys,
Figured this was the best place to make the announcement. We're currently in the process of developing a PROcede application for the new turbocharged Mini. This is the same PROcede we have been using sucessfully on the twin turbo BMW 335i. We hope to have some early testing results up in the next 2-3 weeks. If you have any questions, let me know.
Cheers,
Shiv
www.vishnutuning.com
Figured this was the best place to make the announcement. We're currently in the process of developing a PROcede application for the new turbocharged Mini. This is the same PROcede we have been using sucessfully on the twin turbo BMW 335i. We hope to have some early testing results up in the next 2-3 weeks. If you have any questions, let me know.
Cheers,
Shiv
www.vishnutuning.com
Some reading while we wait-
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...1&Profile=1024
Quote:
You mail your ECU to Vishnu with $750 and you get 400 hp and 400 lb ft of torque in the mail two days later.
or
http://www.vishnutuning.com/bmw_1_v380.htm
Product Overview:
Even in stock form, the 335i is a potent machine, but fortunately, BMW left quite a bit on the table to work with. Through precise and methodical calibration with the Vishnu PROcede computer, we are able to extract another 55-60whp and 70-80lbft of torque. These monstrous gains are achieved with only two more pounds of boost from the clever factory twin turbo set up.
That's scary.
#36
Well, $750 for ECU alone is the stage subzero package that "only" produces 380hp (the $1,995 400hp stage 1 kit includes a turbo-back exhaust).
But 380hp from just an ECU is simply astonishing when considering just two years ago the much more invasive $2,995 Evo VIII kit required cams, exhaust and turbo housing to produce a similar 381hp (Car and Driver saw whp go from 202 to 284).
We can thank Mitsubishi and BMW for making the engines of the Evo IX and 335i relatively free of bottlenecks so Vishnu could squeeze out lots of extra power from only software. Hopefully the design of the PSA Prince engine will also lend itself to producing plenty from tuning alone and without having to change out much hardware.
But 380hp from just an ECU is simply astonishing when considering just two years ago the much more invasive $2,995 Evo VIII kit required cams, exhaust and turbo housing to produce a similar 381hp (Car and Driver saw whp go from 202 to 284).
We can thank Mitsubishi and BMW for making the engines of the Evo IX and 335i relatively free of bottlenecks so Vishnu could squeeze out lots of extra power from only software. Hopefully the design of the PSA Prince engine will also lend itself to producing plenty from tuning alone and without having to change out much hardware.
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#43
Not to knock the vishnu guys at all, or anyone else running a piggyback, but a bosch me9 computer is extremely complex and really friggin expensive to produce and is pretty damn good imo. I don't want to trick my very expensive ecu into thinking its running fine and letting a $1000 black box blindly control tuning... Its why I like reflashes better, factory driveability, tuning, and reflashing. I'm sure the vishnu proceed is a great product, but its a reflash for me. Also the factory solenoid controlled DV/bov is awesome, it makes driveability significantly better than any other turbo car i've driven bar none.
My $.02,
Josh
PS- Ecu flashes are not necessarily detectable. APRs product for the VWs are invisible to dealers. Enjoy!
My $.02,
Josh
PS- Ecu flashes are not necessarily detectable. APRs product for the VWs are invisible to dealers. Enjoy!
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#46
Not to knock the vishnu guys at all, or anyone else running a piggyback, but a bosch me9 computer is extremely complex and really friggin expensive to produce and is pretty damn good imo. I don't want to trick my very expensive ecu into thinking its running fine and letting a $1000 black box blindly control tuning... Its why I like reflashes better, factory driveability, tuning, and reflashing. I'm sure the vishnu proceed is a great product, but its a reflash for me. Also the factory solenoid controlled DV/bov is awesome, it makes driveability significantly better than any other turbo car i've driven bar none.
My $.02,
Josh
PS- Ecu flashes are not necessarily detectable. APRs product for the VWs are invisible to dealers. Enjoy!
My $.02,
Josh
PS- Ecu flashes are not necessarily detectable. APRs product for the VWs are invisible to dealers. Enjoy!
Agreed a lot, the VAG cars are way beyond piggybag stages. I wish APR had any interest in the new R56. The good thing about the new Bosch system is the protection files that will protect your engine from overboost, timing retard, high EGTs unless the tuners crack those maps.
I would like to see big players investing some time and energy into this. BTW, I testdrove an R56 w/LSD, can you say torque steer? I dont wanna know what will happen with more power
#48
Agreed a lot, the VAG cars are way beyond piggybag stages. I wish APR had any interest in the new R56. The good thing about the new Bosch system is the protection files that will protect your engine from overboost, timing retard, high EGTs unless the tuners crack those maps.
I would like to see big players investing some time and energy into this. BTW, I testdrove an R56 w/LSD, can you say torque steer? I dont wanna know what will happen with more power
I would like to see big players investing some time and energy into this. BTW, I testdrove an R56 w/LSD, can you say torque steer? I dont wanna know what will happen with more power
Back to the topic at hand. Someone tune these cars!
#49
The newer chiptuning for the GTI is nothing short of staggering, apr does an amazing job. When you drove the r56 did you have sport button on??? I find actually that non sport is less torque steery (yeah i know not really a word.) The car as long as you point it in the right direction goes fine for me =) My gt35r a4 will be the fast one lol.
Back to the topic at hand. Someone tune these cars!
Back to the topic at hand. Someone tune these cars!
#50
This mod requires modding yourself
See this is what I don't understand about the gimmicky sport button--when would anyone want slow responding inputs?
And I'm the guy that complained the MCSa auto trans was too hyperactive by default and needed to act more conventionally until a sport mode was selected. That I can understand the need for (in the MCSa examples I have tried, it was simply impossible to drive as smoothly as a manual trans) because being kicked around all the time gets old fast during the commute. Mercedes automatics used to actually start in second gear for extra smoothness unless at WOT.
But dulled responses to throttle and steering inputs? Needs an auto-up module fix
And I'm the guy that complained the MCSa auto trans was too hyperactive by default and needed to act more conventionally until a sport mode was selected. That I can understand the need for (in the MCSa examples I have tried, it was simply impossible to drive as smoothly as a manual trans) because being kicked around all the time gets old fast during the commute. Mercedes automatics used to actually start in second gear for extra smoothness unless at WOT.
But dulled responses to throttle and steering inputs? Needs an auto-up module fix