In fact, they even go so far as to point out that it's illegal to remove a functional catalytic converter, even to replace it with their cat.

 

I'll order a CAT just for you guys.

-Cody

 

Cody man don't let peer pressure effect your decisions. Plant a couple trees in your back yard and continue running with no cat! Mother nature will understand.

 

I guess it would be a bad idea for us to go on a trip down Big Sur together.

 

I read through all the crap and come to the same place I was before. In this case you're selfish. Ok, fine, we agree to disagree.

I'll keep giving street drivers crap for it, and I'll have less respect for people who drive without one, (no matter how nice the underhood installations of parts are, Sid, ). After all, the Veyron had four, and still put out over a thousand HP.

That said, Do what you want, just be prepared to admit what you're saying.... Your putting your desire for sound (or power, or cost) over the societal benefit of running your exhaust through the cat.

Matt

ps, employers use YouTube to screen applicants. I wonder how long it will take CARB to figure out how to catch the illegal modders by trolling car forums?

 

ps, employers use YouTube to screen applicants. I wonder how long it will take CARB to figure out how to catch the illegal modders by trolling car forums?[/quote]

Trust me many agencies are already reading these forums . I've had one of my own posts read at a morning briefing at the local CHP office and this was from a much smaller forum . Luckily it was a positive piece but it does go to show you that we are being watched . I know for sure that insurance companies do as well so why would CARB not follow suit ?

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

I think i'm going to go catless again...all this BS makes me want to go remove my cat! :impatient

Any other enthusiast group would not be having this discussion. They would care less if your new header has a cat or not, they would just be excited about your new mod! People taking out cats is quite common on performance cars. You don't see Ferrari owners bitching when someone decides to de-cat their 430...but then again I guess you'll just say they are arrogant rich folks that only care about themselves. LOL.

Welcome to the NAM-MINI world paradoxrider!

 

So you really think with the amount of MINI's on the road doing this mod is gonna make a difference to the MILLIONS of other cars causing the same problem?????

FYI....this is the wrong place to ask someone for advise because its full of people who know it all and grumpy old men. Do what you want...its your car, they're arent your parents so who carse what they have to say honestly.

EXACTLY.....so i guess with all the other illegal cars out there that are in the thousands++++++++++, Do you think our minis are really hurting the eniviroment compared to other crap going these days other than motor vehicle pollution.



And what is the range in salary for these older folk????

Guy....you should be working for the EPA than bantering on a MINI forum. Get a life cuz your argueing is not gonna change peoples mind.

 

I know I do give crap to my neighbor for de-catting his 355. But I don't agree that "any other enthusiast group would not be having this discussion". For the older mustangs, it's not an issue, as they don't have them. For the newer ones it sure it, and those that yank them off of thier car catch crap from me too.

Just think of the numbers. There are about 250 million cars registered. Sure, one car doesn't really make a difference, but then, if everyone went catless, it sure as hell would!

Race cars, go ahead and do what you want, street cars, keep the exhaust clean for all our sakes!

Matt

ps, I have a pretty arbitrary standard as well. I don't care about what's on the car as long as it doesn't make the car dirtier. So some could call me out for braking the law, which is correct. But my car runs clean, which is what we really ought to care about.

 

Very true Matt...that's where I'm coming from...BTW...you should visit Woodward Avenue (Michigan) any weekend this time of year...talk about Big Iron and Leaded Gas making a come back... Some of these guys have a whole garage full of them...:impatient

I'm sure for my "little transgression", St Peter will let me through the gates for having taken the cat off one little 1.6 liter motor that is meticulously maintained and tuned...BTW...must suck to live in Socialist Republic of Kalifornia...

 

Haha thanks for laugh. Always enjoy sitting back and reading these posts. This argument could go on for years... And at the end of the day, those running catless still won't care what those of you that aren't have to say about it. That's just the way life is. Honestly, I don't know why you bother wasting your time flaming someone for not running a cat. At the end of the day, their car is still catless and you've wasted part of your day, time which you will never get back, to raise an argument that will go on UNHEARD...

With that said, running catless does net you gains, when your running a head and properly tuned... And please, don't flame me because I'm running stock header and will be for a while (just too expensive)..

Oh and, for those of you still using the "you sound like a 16yr old" ********, get over it. You were there once too and I can outright GUARANTEE you were no perfect child... So get over yourself...

 

I hate it every day that I have to drive the hills near my house!

I hate it every day that I drive 20 min to play with my daughter in the waves at a local beach.

I hate it every night as the lights of the south bay start to glitter in the evening air.

I hate in when, yet again, we have a day that's in the high 70s to mid 80s... Without the humidity to match!

I guess you get the idea...

But What Would Jesus (or St Peter) Drive? I'd bet it would be a cat!

Matt

ps, I'm not bummed that CA lead the way with emmissions control that lead to converters that lead to fuel injection that lead to unbelievable power outputs of todays motors, but I do really hate that 91 passes for premium here!

 

Actually I just moved back from colorado where Randy Webb was my neighbor and he did alot of work to my car. I have the webb motorsports intake box, crank pulley, 15% pulley, B&M short throw, miltek exhaust this is actually one of the last mods i will do for a while. I was just making sure that replacing the header and still leaving the stock cat on there wont throw anything. I appreciate everyones help.

 

Those little benifits...Ha! Ok...you got me there...

Jesus doesn't drive anything...He is God and therefore, the world and universe comes to him...the rest of his friends have wings remember?

 

Yes, you're right, but I did accurately guess his age within a year. . .

 

I'll be 18 in 5 days.

-Cody

 

Im going to be putting mine back on soon, the test pipe makes a horrible ricey noise not to mention there is little NOTICABLE gain

 

Make that 2 years lol..

 

I don't know. Ask polizei.
But anything worth doing is worth doing right. Halfstepping is for suckers. Sorry, had to say it.

Wow, what an unbelievably pessimistic attitude. You probably don't vote, because, how could one vote make a difference . . .

You can't think of pollution or affecting the environment, as "compared to", you need to think of it as "on top of, or in addition to". The problem with most people is that they don't understand that they are part of the community, city, state, country, world. . . Individualism is engrained so deep in some that they are completely oblivious to the rest of the group and think that their actions, the actions of just "one, tiny person" couldn't possibly affect the whole. That is untrue.

Things add up- if I pissed in your pool when you had a party with a thousand people there, you would be angry, but you would probably not notice. . . I mean, c'mon, that's only 1/10 of a percent of the whole party pissing in your pool. . . then if twenty people pissed in your pool, that's still only 2 percent. . . is that still OK? Even though your pool would smell and taste like ****? And could you even say anything to the rest of the guests? Like "stop pissing in my pool!"? Probably not, because:

 

Ha, well, exactly one year ago it was 5 days until he was 17. . . which means he was 16 at the time. ZING!

 

"Hey, guys, I'm thinking about setting up my cooling system to leak about a quart of coolant everyday onto the street as I drive. I just like the way it sounds! Power gains, too. 1/3 hampster power added. What? What? No way, someone will have to pay to put the hose back into place, I don't have the money for that. . . I'll never get busted, not even if a random dog were to lap up my drip trail and die. . . It's my car anyway and I'll do what I want with it. Plus, there are a million other cars doing the same thing. That's right, a MILLION. Isn't that a huge, unfathomable number? When you have those kinds of odds it can't be even close to making a difference. I mean, chlorine gas can be fatal ONLY at .1% concentration in the atmosphere. That's, like, a lot, right? Wow, numbers and ratios make my head hurt. OOOoo. . . a popsicle!"

This is pretty much what I hear a lot of.

 

Man...I wish I knew everything I know now at 48 back when I was 18... Find a wise mentor now and you'll be set for life

 

Your 48?

 

Haha....I have plenty of older mentors....

-Cody

 

Jesus' MINI was spotted.
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/07/27/m...he-jesus-mini/