Drivetrain N2O on direct injection
#26
Ok, I guess when I said input. I really meant if or how it is to be done. I was not asking if I should do it. There is no doubt that it would help especially in the higher gears. 3 and 4th especially in the 1/4 mile no matter what turbo is on the car.
I just want to figure out if it can be done safely and if so what is the best way to approach it.
I did not need an evaluation of my current setup or "crappy" turbo.
With that being said. Anyone have any constructive or intellegent responses?
I just want to figure out if it can be done safely and if so what is the best way to approach it.
I did not need an evaluation of my current setup or "crappy" turbo.
With that being said. Anyone have any constructive or intellegent responses?
While my experience wasn't with my R56, I did go through several rounds of nitrous on my previous car, which was also turbo w/ similar multiport fuel injection. I had absolutely no issue squeezing a dry 50 shot plumbed directly into my intake plenum. my EGT was fine, and the few times I got an external o2 meter it was fairly close to what I wanted. when I went to an 80 shot, I had to had fuel, so I went to a direct port setup where I had a wet nozzle plumbed into each intake runner, even w/ this setup I was doing well, and the motor never had any issues. The motor was an H22A1 with a T3 / T4 hybrid turbo and FMAX fuel management. I know this wasn't what you're looking for but hope it helps some.
-L
#29
I agree they will... and I'm thinking about doing that also, I wasn't trying to start a war... maybe I was putting my 2 cents in where it wasn't wanted. I'm cool with everyone on the forum, but still I'm not backing down on my opinion as far as n2o on a stock turbo mini. Sorry if I ruined everyone's day, I'll try to only contribute good stuff from here on out.
#30
Spray about a 50 shot dry before the intercooler, should cool it down on the way to the intake manifold . I stress that you need to add a wot switch, NX has some programmable ones for drive by wire. The ecu likes modulating and shutting the throttle blade a bit so you need to be sure its open.
http://www.nitrousexpress.com/Pages/TPS.htm
There you go.
Enjoy,
Josh
http://www.nitrousexpress.com/Pages/TPS.htm
There you go.
Enjoy,
Josh
Last edited by a96bimmerm3; 01-07-2008 at 06:19 AM.
#32
I wanted to hold my tongue, but I could not keep my mouth shut...
I would bet almost anything that there are at least a couple DOZEN Minis on here that could absolutely Slaughter your EVO. I am tired of hearing people call the Mini a cute car to drive around town and they only have it because of that and they save money on gas. There are plenty of us out here that could make Porsche owners cry, Vipers, Z06s, etc...(even Ferraris)
I guess some turds just know how to drive...
There, I have said my peace.
I would bet almost anything that there are at least a couple DOZEN Minis on here that could absolutely Slaughter your EVO. I am tired of hearing people call the Mini a cute car to drive around town and they only have it because of that and they save money on gas. There are plenty of us out here that could make Porsche owners cry, Vipers, Z06s, etc...(even Ferraris)
I guess some turds just know how to drive...
There, I have said my peace.
....I have yet to shed a tear grasshopper.....i see reality has yet to make a dent in your immortality......i'll pass this on to another forum to hear what they have to say......only kidding
Last edited by NoModMini; 01-08-2008 at 06:09 AM.
#33
Lets stay on track.
I want to discuss the N2O on the new R56.
I dont care if anyone thinks it's a good idea.
I want to see who is interested in doing it besides myself and who knows a safe way to do it. I love modding my car and taking it to the edge but I'd rather not blow it up.
MINI's can be fast, I am not saying that they are the fastest car out there nor the best platform for that type of competition. I know it can be done, but I want a daily driver, not Fireballed's 500hp Mini...lol
But I have to admit it is fun to see the look on the faces of some American V8 cars owners and some other pretty fast cars out there when you pull from them.
I want to discuss the N2O on the new R56.
I dont care if anyone thinks it's a good idea.
I want to see who is interested in doing it besides myself and who knows a safe way to do it. I love modding my car and taking it to the edge but I'd rather not blow it up.
MINI's can be fast, I am not saying that they are the fastest car out there nor the best platform for that type of competition. I know it can be done, but I want a daily driver, not Fireballed's 500hp Mini...lol
But I have to admit it is fun to see the look on the faces of some American V8 cars owners and some other pretty fast cars out there when you pull from them.
#35
Like I said before, you should ask Jeff @ alta if he can make you a spray tune for the unichip with an output for the nitrous so the unichip controls it with wot and a window switch of sorts. I think thats the only really safe way to do it. Otherwise like a 20-50 shot dry (backing off the timing) would probably work fine and cool off the intake charge. Be really careful not to freeze the intake mani!!!! (it is plastic)
#36
Like I said before, you should ask Jeff @ alta if he can make you a spray tune for the unichip with an output for the nitrous so the unichip controls it with wot and a window switch of sorts. I think thats the only really safe way to do it. Otherwise like a 20-50 shot dry (backing off the timing) would probably work fine and cool off the intake charge. Be really careful not to freeze the intake mani!!!! (it is plastic)
BTW dont think he will freeze the mani with the heat gun we have before it. The nitrous should perform great in this cars as an intercooler. But plastic manifolds are known to blow with N20 but specially on wet kits since the added fuel.
#38
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#40
I preffer to install a CO2 kit to lower the fmic temp before giving a shot of nos to my engine. If you install nos you have to add fuel and we need a better way to tune our ecu to do it in a safe mode. If I install nos in my car it would be between the compressor and the entrance of the fmic just to get the air colder.
#41
You would want to spray AFTER the intercooler so the intercooler can do its job. If the nitrous brings the temp close to ambient before the intercooler, it will not cool the charge at all. Keeping the Temp Delta high will let the intercooler do its job than let the nitrous cool the charge that much more.
Think about it...
BTW- Your mini sounds and is badass!! Nice mods
Think about it...
BTW- Your mini sounds and is badass!! Nice mods
Last edited by blk91stang; 11-13-2008 at 06:28 AM.
#42
I preffer to install a CO2 kit to lower the fmic temp before giving a shot of nos to my engine. If you install nos you have to add fuel and we need a better way to tune our ecu to do it in a safe mode. If I install nos in my car it would be between the compressor and the entrance of the fmic just to get the air colder.
Its a joke, and most people end up slowing their cars down, the excess CO2 ends up getting sucked into the intake somehow.
If you want to cool down the intercooler, using a bottle of nitrous or a fire extinguisher is still the best way to do it.
I would start by getting rid of the OE intercooler and upgrading to something a little more efficient, you will probably negate the effects of the spray bar by just using a good intercooler.
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