Drivetrain M7's own Super-AGS thread
#227
06-09-2008 | 05:24 PM
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Nardo here again.
Take the numbers for what they're worth. As I've said, many people have their reservations about M7 and will stand on one side of the company no matter what gets posted or what doesn't get posted.
For that, I'm sorry. No matter who I work for, I would want the respect of people that potentially trust your work and opinions... especially considering the time and effort going into something. I'm not so much worried about the sale... but perhaps someday we can regain whatever respect you offer... otherwise my time and effort working and writing is just a wash.
Take the numbers for what they're worth. As I've said, many people have their reservations about M7 and will stand on one side of the company no matter what gets posted or what doesn't get posted.
For that, I'm sorry. No matter who I work for, I would want the respect of people that potentially trust your work and opinions... especially considering the time and effort going into something. I'm not so much worried about the sale... but perhaps someday we can regain whatever respect you offer... otherwise my time and effort working and writing is just a wash.
It's to bad some still will not belive. They did the same thing 2000 years ago too 
#228
06-09-2008 | 05:24 PM
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From: SoCaL (Agoura Hills)
Everyone on here has noticed, about 1,000 posts ago.
Seeing that your sig states that you have an R53, and not an R56, then why come in here and sling your crap about a part that doesn't even fit your car?
Because you hate Peter and M7, that's why. Every M7 thread you come across has to have you talking crap about something they post. The only reason you do it is because Jan and Peter don't get along. You like Jan, and hate Peter, so BAM, here's rustygirl slinging crap again.
Yea, we know you've had M7 stuff that didn't work for you, IT'S IN THE PAST NOW. You've made changes now that you're happy with, so grow up, get over it, and move on.
The friggin' kids these days... don't friggin' listen.
Seeing that your sig states that you have an R53, and not an R56, then why come in here and sling your crap about a part that doesn't even fit your car?
Because you hate Peter and M7, that's why. Every M7 thread you come across has to have you talking crap about something they post. The only reason you do it is because Jan and Peter don't get along. You like Jan, and hate Peter, so BAM, here's rustygirl slinging crap again.
Yea, we know you've had M7 stuff that didn't work for you, IT'S IN THE PAST NOW. You've made changes now that you're happy with, so grow up, get over it, and move on.
The friggin' kids these days... don't friggin' listen.
Nice set of assumptions yet again though.
If you don't like what I post, block me! That's what the "Ignore" button is for. You do realize that you're arguing for me to stop doing exactly what you're doing. I run in and badmouth something that i've tested, and know doesn't work, you run in and clean house, and make me look bad. I could say the same of you, grow up! If you don't like what I'm posting, then stop reading it. Wouldn't that be a lot more "Mature" than the sophomoric point by point I get every time I post something that doesn't look like I'm bending over for Peter?
Lastly, if you honestly think that age puts you in a position to talk down to other people, get a clue. I don't give a crap how much older than me you are, I'll make my OWN decisions and do what I want.
If you demand respect you damn well better have earned it. Having a few more birthday's than I doesn't mean you've attained some supreme level of respect from all the inferior "Kids".
(Before you take a jab at me for the above comment, I NEVER demanded respect from anyone on these forums, and frankly couldn't give a crap what anyone thinks about me because of what I post.)
#231
06-09-2008 | 05:29 PM
I couldn't care less about the product this thread was started on, and never slung anything. Just tired of rustygirl having to be in every M7 thread talking crap about said product. Just like you do.
Last edited by Partsman; 06-09-2008 at 05:37 PM.
#233
06-09-2008 | 05:31 PM
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From: SoCaL (Agoura Hills)
Nardo here again. I've been out of the loop lately. I haven't had as much time to read through the forums as I used to (when I get home from work the last thing on my mind is MINI-anything). Peter asked me to read through and post something as I was the only one at the dyno when we ran the tests. I'm going to lay out as much as I can on the table so take it for what it's worth. It's gonna be long (insert "the Office" joke here) so bear with me. I know some people already have their reservations as far as the M7 image and I respect your choice whether good for the company or not. It's cool.
I honestly didn't pay much attention to this thread (or any thread for that matter) until I came back to the office with the dyno results so I apologize for delays and what not. As far as these latest results... here's the deal:
Peter didn't want to go back to the dyno we were originally using for reasons most people already know about. I won't go into it because you can probably use the search function and find out about it if it bothers anyone that much. Bottom line is we needed a new place and (because of the requests) we needed it fast. I was riding shotgun from a business meeting on a Thursday afternoon and tried calling 4 different places on the way back to the office. I was trying to make a next-day appointment so you can understand the trouble I ran into. At some places, the techs just didn't have time to do a comparison as they had appointments. One place was moving and dismantled their dyno. Another shop wouldn't be set up for another month. Anyone else I could think of off the top of my head was just too far as the car couldn't be in my possession for the whole day to drive somewhere. Anyways, I finally found a place that could accommodate the time we needed to run our tests.
Well... that's sort of like apples and oranges, isn't it?
I'll be honest, the torque gain at low RPM is odd. That's the first thing the dyno techs pointed out to me. So I had them run the intake a few more times and still got that bump. It was consistent, so I said "that's that then".
When I was in the shop I just let them run the dyno and didn't do anything but jump up before each run to make sure "overboost" was on and the traction control was off. The car was allowed to cool before both the aftermarket and oem intakes. The oem intake had a bit more time to cool as there were customers coming into the shop with emergency situations that needed the staff's attention.
The dyno was set up with two large scale fans. One was blowing head on. The other was blowing above this fan at an angle onto the engine bay. They ran consistently and constantly with the exception of the head-on fan dying during one of the Super AGS runs (this run obviously gave slightly lower numbers, but that spike at low RPMs was still present). Engine temps were monitored during the tests to ensure that both intakes were performing under equal conditions.
Take the numbers for what they're worth. As I've said, many people have their reservations about M7 and will stand on one side of the company no matter what gets posted or what doesn't get posted.
For that, I'm sorry. No matter who I work for, I would want the respect of people that potentially trust your work and opinions... especially considering the time and effort going into something. I'm not so much worried about the sale... but perhaps someday we can regain whatever respect you offer... otherwise my time and effort working and writing is just a wash.
I honestly didn't pay much attention to this thread (or any thread for that matter) until I came back to the office with the dyno results so I apologize for delays and what not. As far as these latest results... here's the deal:
Peter didn't want to go back to the dyno we were originally using for reasons most people already know about. I won't go into it because you can probably use the search function and find out about it if it bothers anyone that much. Bottom line is we needed a new place and (because of the requests) we needed it fast. I was riding shotgun from a business meeting on a Thursday afternoon and tried calling 4 different places on the way back to the office. I was trying to make a next-day appointment so you can understand the trouble I ran into. At some places, the techs just didn't have time to do a comparison as they had appointments. One place was moving and dismantled their dyno. Another shop wouldn't be set up for another month. Anyone else I could think of off the top of my head was just too far as the car couldn't be in my possession for the whole day to drive somewhere. Anyways, I finally found a place that could accommodate the time we needed to run our tests.
Well... that's sort of like apples and oranges, isn't it?
I'll be honest, the torque gain at low RPM is odd. That's the first thing the dyno techs pointed out to me. So I had them run the intake a few more times and still got that bump. It was consistent, so I said "that's that then".
When I was in the shop I just let them run the dyno and didn't do anything but jump up before each run to make sure "overboost" was on and the traction control was off. The car was allowed to cool before both the aftermarket and oem intakes. The oem intake had a bit more time to cool as there were customers coming into the shop with emergency situations that needed the staff's attention.
The dyno was set up with two large scale fans. One was blowing head on. The other was blowing above this fan at an angle onto the engine bay. They ran consistently and constantly with the exception of the head-on fan dying during one of the Super AGS runs (this run obviously gave slightly lower numbers, but that spike at low RPMs was still present). Engine temps were monitored during the tests to ensure that both intakes were performing under equal conditions.
Take the numbers for what they're worth. As I've said, many people have their reservations about M7 and will stand on one side of the company no matter what gets posted or what doesn't get posted.
For that, I'm sorry. No matter who I work for, I would want the respect of people that potentially trust your work and opinions... especially considering the time and effort going into something. I'm not so much worried about the sale... but perhaps someday we can regain whatever respect you offer... otherwise my time and effort working and writing is just a wash.
Still, 25 lb-ft of torque from an intake is too hard to swallow.
#235
06-09-2008 | 05:33 PM
I was ticked off with M7 before I even knew who Jan was...
Nice set of assumptions yet again though.
If you don't like what I post, block me! That's what the "Ignore" button is for. You do realize that you're arguing for me to stop doing exactly what you're doing. I run in and badmouth something that i've tested, and know doesn't work, you run in and clean house, and make me look bad. I could say the same of you, grow up! If you don't like what I'm posting, then stop reading it. Wouldn't that be a lot more "Mature" than the sophomoric point by point I get every time I post something that doesn't look like I'm bending over for Peter?
Lastly, if you honestly think that age puts you in a position to talk down to other people, get a clue. I don't give a crap how much older than me you are, I'll make my OWN decisions and do what I want.
If you demand respect you damn well better have earned it. Having a few more birthday's than I doesn't mean you've attained some supreme level of respect from all the inferior "Kids".
(Before you take a jab at me for the above comment, I NEVER demanded respect from anyone on these forums, and frankly couldn't give a crap what anyone thinks about me because of what I post.)
Nice set of assumptions yet again though.
If you don't like what I post, block me! That's what the "Ignore" button is for. You do realize that you're arguing for me to stop doing exactly what you're doing. I run in and badmouth something that i've tested, and know doesn't work, you run in and clean house, and make me look bad. I could say the same of you, grow up! If you don't like what I'm posting, then stop reading it. Wouldn't that be a lot more "Mature" than the sophomoric point by point I get every time I post something that doesn't look like I'm bending over for Peter?
Lastly, if you honestly think that age puts you in a position to talk down to other people, get a clue. I don't give a crap how much older than me you are, I'll make my OWN decisions and do what I want.
If you demand respect you damn well better have earned it. Having a few more birthday's than I doesn't mean you've attained some supreme level of respect from all the inferior "Kids".
(Before you take a jab at me for the above comment, I NEVER demanded respect from anyone on these forums, and frankly couldn't give a crap what anyone thinks about me because of what I post.)
#239
06-09-2008 | 05:40 PM
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From: Fresno Ca.
Lastly, if you honestly think that age puts you in a position to talk down to other people, get a clue. I don't give a crap how much older than me you are, I'll make my OWN decisions and do what I want.
If you demand respect you damn well better have earned it. Having a few more birthday's than I doesn't mean you've attained some supreme level of respect from all the inferior "Kids".
If you demand respect you damn well better have earned it. Having a few more birthday's than I doesn't mean you've attained some supreme level of respect from all the inferior "Kids".
#241
06-09-2008 | 05:42 PM
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From: SoCaL (Agoura Hills)
Definitely nothing stirring, I'm pretty against religion of any sort. Causes too many problems in the world...
It just gives people something else to argue about.
#243
06-09-2008 | 05:46 PM
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HAHAHA....Funny stuff. I dislike M7 because Peter has blown me off a few times at multiple AMVIV's. Randy is cool and so is Nardo but I will NEVER buy one of their products even if it put down 1000 bajillion HP...that company can suck it...
#244
06-09-2008 | 05:48 PM
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#246
06-09-2008 | 05:52 PM
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From: SoCaL (Agoura Hills)
Most certainly, anyone who demands something is going to lose major points with me, I don't care if they're a little old lady or a 14 year old kid.
The logic that age dictates respect is a little too 19th century for me. For me, people start with no points, flatline, open slate. Walking in and demanding all sorts of things as if you're somehow better than me = negative points. Asking nicely and talking rationally = positive points.
It's really not a difficult concept, and it's rather like how things work out in the real world. Ever walk into a bank and DEMAND that everyone get out of line and let you go first? Why? I don't know you?
You might think that example is different, but it's no different than some random internet big-shot demanding that I ask how high every time he says jump simply because he read in a few posts that I'm younger than he is.
I once heard a businessman explain to me how he doesn't just ask for special treatment, he expects it. I wondered in my mind how the hell someone expects to be treated special simply because. Now I understand that some people just think that they're extraordinary.
The reality is we're all equal, and having money, or age, or even a vast level of intellect doesn't make you any better than anyone else.
#248
06-09-2008 | 05:57 PM
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I have to say, Nardo is the one bright point to this whole thing. Having met Peter a few times I can relate to what you're saying. I felt violated afterwards. Every time.
#249
06-09-2008 | 06:00 PM
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I hold open doors for most people (Not just little old ladies), because I like to think I'm generally a nice guy.
Most certainly, anyone who demands something is going to lose major points with me, I don't care if they're a little old lady or a 14 year old kid.
The logic that age dictates respect is a little too 19th century for me. For me, people start with no points, flatline, open slate. Walking in and demanding all sorts of things as if you're somehow better than me = negative points. Asking nicely and talking rationally = positive points.
It's really not a difficult concept, and it's rather like how things work out in the real world. Ever walk into a bank and DEMAND that everyone get out of line and let you go first? Why? I don't know you?
You might think that example is different, but it's no different than some random internet big-shot demanding that I ask how high every time he says jump simply because he read in a few posts that I'm younger than he is.
I once heard a businessman explain to me how he doesn't just ask for special treatment, he expects it. I wondered in my mind how the hell someone expects to be treated special simply because. Now I understand that some people just think that they're extraordinary.
The reality is we're all equal, and having money, or age, or even a vast level of intellect doesn't make you any better than anyone else.
Most certainly, anyone who demands something is going to lose major points with me, I don't care if they're a little old lady or a 14 year old kid.
The logic that age dictates respect is a little too 19th century for me. For me, people start with no points, flatline, open slate. Walking in and demanding all sorts of things as if you're somehow better than me = negative points. Asking nicely and talking rationally = positive points.
It's really not a difficult concept, and it's rather like how things work out in the real world. Ever walk into a bank and DEMAND that everyone get out of line and let you go first? Why? I don't know you?
You might think that example is different, but it's no different than some random internet big-shot demanding that I ask how high every time he says jump simply because he read in a few posts that I'm younger than he is.
I once heard a businessman explain to me how he doesn't just ask for special treatment, he expects it. I wondered in my mind how the hell someone expects to be treated special simply because. Now I understand that some people just think that they're extraordinary.
The reality is we're all equal, and having money, or age, or even a vast level of intellect doesn't make you any better than anyone else.
#250
06-09-2008 | 06:02 PM
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From: SoCaL (Agoura Hills)