Drivetrain Charlie gets Dyno'd and Tracked!
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Charlie gets Dyno'd and Tracked!
Hey there again This weekend was a very busy weekend for me. After putting on
-Alta Intake
-Alta Turbo Inlet Hose
-Alta Boost Tubes
-Alta Intercooler
-3" Magnaflow Catback Exhaust (Too broke for downpipe lol)
-Alta PnP ECU (the magic part)
I was able to take the car to a dyno and also at the 1/8 track!
At the dyno I did notice my AFR running dangerously lean which causes detonation and there is still power to be made ! I am also hoping to be able to switch out my runflats for some nice grippy tires to make up for not having LSD BTW I have a 6 spd.
Just Kidding that ones my brother's truck (Before his last retune its 415whp/481wtq now) which will be on the cover of next month's Import Tuner magazine . Mine is:
227.9 whp/ 271.1 wtq
Look at those AFR ratios
Sorry for the light coloring on the sheet
And this is one of the timeslips from the track night against my brother . I am the left one but I believe I ran a 9.3 but coulnt find the sheet .
-Alta Intake
-Alta Turbo Inlet Hose
-Alta Boost Tubes
-Alta Intercooler
-3" Magnaflow Catback Exhaust (Too broke for downpipe lol)
-Alta PnP ECU (the magic part)
I was able to take the car to a dyno and also at the 1/8 track!
At the dyno I did notice my AFR running dangerously lean which causes detonation and there is still power to be made ! I am also hoping to be able to switch out my runflats for some nice grippy tires to make up for not having LSD BTW I have a 6 spd.
Just Kidding that ones my brother's truck (Before his last retune its 415whp/481wtq now) which will be on the cover of next month's Import Tuner magazine . Mine is:
227.9 whp/ 271.1 wtq
Look at those AFR ratios
Sorry for the light coloring on the sheet
And this is one of the timeslips from the track night against my brother . I am the left one but I believe I ran a 9.3 but coulnt find the sheet .
Last edited by richi0207; 08-19-2008 at 09:42 AM. Reason: forgot something- Thx PGT =\
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Obviusly the car dosn't come even close to those numbers... a R56 without remap can't go over 185 hp, and I don't mean whp...
To be sure about how fast your car is, try to do a 50-90 kph acceleration in 2nd gear and 90-130 in 3rd.
Sorry for the missing translation but here is a list of acceleration times:
- 2"00 50-90
2"20 90-130 simon® Mini by Turbocrime (turbo+volumetrico+mille cose)
- 2.21" 50-90
~3" 90-130 Generale Cooper S (mezzo serbatoio ,1 passeggero,senza sedili posteriori e panca,cerchi thunder, puleggia ridotta 20%, corpo farfallato, , maggiorato e satinato, airbox jr carbon, oil catch can, camme schrick, pistoni wiseco, testa/valvole/molle, rimozione limitatore di giri, colli madness/obx...attualmente obx, scarico jcw challange, interccoler GRS e sistema spruzzo acqua+alcool, iniettori maggiorati, candele, rimappatura, colli lavorati,condotti ic puliti e satinati..ecc ecc.)
- 2"23 50-90 Slavo Cooper S restyling (17 superzavorra, metà serbatoio, con passeggero, centralina, kit puleggia -15% - scarico powerfull - collettori OBX - Bridgestone potenza RE05A - assetto Bilstein B8+Eibach - filtro carbonio JR)
da verificare
- 2"56 50-90 Vcc-Antonio - Cooper S JCW GP 2006 (5500 Km,cerchi 18",meta' serbatoio, peso pilota 95 kg peso passeggero 90 kg,fondo asciutto,DSC on)
- 2"88 50-90 paranoid77 Cooper S 2006 (25800km collettori obx,terminale powerful,puleggia alta -15% v2,0,filtro pannello bmc, camme schrick,cerchi 17"(star bullett), mezzo serbatoio di benza, 78chili di guidatore)
- 2"90 50-90 ABJCooperS Cooper S (R53 06/2005, scarico JCW non silenziato, Colli OBX, Kat originale, Filtro JCMotorsport con Sprintfilter , Albero a camme schrick, Inniettori maggiorati JCW, cerchi da 17"+Bridgestone R040, peso: io 70 + lei 48)
- 3"06 50-90 FBRIATORE COOPER S JCW 210cv (44000 km, cerchi da 18" JCW che non sò come si chiamano quelli a 5 razze comunque, 1/2 serbatoio, pilota 72kg + più qualche pacco nel bagagliaio circa 6-7kg)
4''90 91-131 (3/4 serbatoio, bagagli vari ad esagerare equivalenti a 20kg)...
- 3"09 50-90 VEGETA78 Cooper S r53 pre-restyling (54.000km, cerchi 17' thunder replica con bf g-force profiler, 1 tacca di serbatoio, da solo 75kg, puleggia -15%, collettori OBX + kat di serie, centrale e terminale JCW, filtro BMC CDA, rimappa ad hoc, assetto Bilstein B8+Eibach prokit, temp 33°)
4"90 90-130 (io 75kg + passeggero 48kg, 1 tacca di serbatoio, temp 25°)
- 3"15 s 50-90
4"85 s 90-130 TommyGunn cooper S R56(stock, 2150 km, guidatore 75 kg, pieno di benzina, 5°c)
- 3"20 50-90
5"03 90-130 RossocooperS Cooper S R56 (cerchi 17, gomme non RFT, guidatore 94 kg+passeggero 72, tre tacche su dieci di benzina, filtro Alta Performance)
- 3"43 50-90 Axiss Cooper S (una tacca di benzina, powerful, pannello, 17" e assetto completo).
- 3"50 50-90
5"00 90-130 RockDJ BMW 1.20d 177cv, 24.000km,
- 3"66 50-90 Garagino Cooper S (mezzo serbatoio di benzina, One-Ball, 17").
- 5"40 90-130 Garagino Cooper S (serbatoio pieno, One-Ball, 17")
- 3"69 50-90
~5" 90-130 Remixes Cooper S (R53, 1 tacca di benzina, amico, cerchi 17)
- 3.80 50-90 angus Cooper s (R53 pre rest 2003,68.000 Km;, cerchi da 16'', serbatoio pieno ,pilota 70, filtro a pannello bmc, mappa mpp. temperatura 11 gradi)
- 3"93 50-90
4''60 90-130 Mic Cooper S R56 JCW step 1 cambio steptronic (cerchi 18" gomme 205/40, cambio automatico sequenziale1 giudatore + 1 passegero per un totale di 150 kg, pieno di benzina, 20 gradi di temperatura, umidità intensa, terminale Remus, filtro K&N a pannello, riemap con pressione in overboost fino a 1.4)
- 3"9 50-90 Alexandro88 Mini Cooper S cabrio cambio automatico (AGS modalità sequenziale SD in 2 - 23000 km - cerchi s.upernova 17" - io + ragazza - benza: 6 tacche su 8)
- 4"25 50-90 206zero Cooper 2003 (107.000 km, con scarico, camme, mappa. Cerchi da 17")
To be sure about how fast your car is, try to do a 50-90 kph acceleration in 2nd gear and 90-130 in 3rd.
Sorry for the missing translation but here is a list of acceleration times:
- 2"00 50-90
2"20 90-130 simon® Mini by Turbocrime (turbo+volumetrico+mille cose)
- 2.21" 50-90
~3" 90-130 Generale Cooper S (mezzo serbatoio ,1 passeggero,senza sedili posteriori e panca,cerchi thunder, puleggia ridotta 20%, corpo farfallato, , maggiorato e satinato, airbox jr carbon, oil catch can, camme schrick, pistoni wiseco, testa/valvole/molle, rimozione limitatore di giri, colli madness/obx...attualmente obx, scarico jcw challange, interccoler GRS e sistema spruzzo acqua+alcool, iniettori maggiorati, candele, rimappatura, colli lavorati,condotti ic puliti e satinati..ecc ecc.)
- 2"23 50-90 Slavo Cooper S restyling (17 superzavorra, metà serbatoio, con passeggero, centralina, kit puleggia -15% - scarico powerfull - collettori OBX - Bridgestone potenza RE05A - assetto Bilstein B8+Eibach - filtro carbonio JR)
da verificare
- 2"56 50-90 Vcc-Antonio - Cooper S JCW GP 2006 (5500 Km,cerchi 18",meta' serbatoio, peso pilota 95 kg peso passeggero 90 kg,fondo asciutto,DSC on)
- 2"88 50-90 paranoid77 Cooper S 2006 (25800km collettori obx,terminale powerful,puleggia alta -15% v2,0,filtro pannello bmc, camme schrick,cerchi 17"(star bullett), mezzo serbatoio di benza, 78chili di guidatore)
- 2"90 50-90 ABJCooperS Cooper S (R53 06/2005, scarico JCW non silenziato, Colli OBX, Kat originale, Filtro JCMotorsport con Sprintfilter , Albero a camme schrick, Inniettori maggiorati JCW, cerchi da 17"+Bridgestone R040, peso: io 70 + lei 48)
- 3"06 50-90 FBRIATORE COOPER S JCW 210cv (44000 km, cerchi da 18" JCW che non sò come si chiamano quelli a 5 razze comunque, 1/2 serbatoio, pilota 72kg + più qualche pacco nel bagagliaio circa 6-7kg)
4''90 91-131 (3/4 serbatoio, bagagli vari ad esagerare equivalenti a 20kg)...
- 3"09 50-90 VEGETA78 Cooper S r53 pre-restyling (54.000km, cerchi 17' thunder replica con bf g-force profiler, 1 tacca di serbatoio, da solo 75kg, puleggia -15%, collettori OBX + kat di serie, centrale e terminale JCW, filtro BMC CDA, rimappa ad hoc, assetto Bilstein B8+Eibach prokit, temp 33°)
4"90 90-130 (io 75kg + passeggero 48kg, 1 tacca di serbatoio, temp 25°)
- 3"15 s 50-90
4"85 s 90-130 TommyGunn cooper S R56(stock, 2150 km, guidatore 75 kg, pieno di benzina, 5°c)
- 3"20 50-90
5"03 90-130 RossocooperS Cooper S R56 (cerchi 17, gomme non RFT, guidatore 94 kg+passeggero 72, tre tacche su dieci di benzina, filtro Alta Performance)
- 3"43 50-90 Axiss Cooper S (una tacca di benzina, powerful, pannello, 17" e assetto completo).
- 3"50 50-90
5"00 90-130 RockDJ BMW 1.20d 177cv, 24.000km,
- 3"66 50-90 Garagino Cooper S (mezzo serbatoio di benzina, One-Ball, 17").
- 5"40 90-130 Garagino Cooper S (serbatoio pieno, One-Ball, 17")
- 3"69 50-90
~5" 90-130 Remixes Cooper S (R53, 1 tacca di benzina, amico, cerchi 17)
- 3.80 50-90 angus Cooper s (R53 pre rest 2003,68.000 Km;, cerchi da 16'', serbatoio pieno ,pilota 70, filtro a pannello bmc, mappa mpp. temperatura 11 gradi)
- 3"93 50-90
4''60 90-130 Mic Cooper S R56 JCW step 1 cambio steptronic (cerchi 18" gomme 205/40, cambio automatico sequenziale1 giudatore + 1 passegero per un totale di 150 kg, pieno di benzina, 20 gradi di temperatura, umidità intensa, terminale Remus, filtro K&N a pannello, riemap con pressione in overboost fino a 1.4)
- 3"9 50-90 Alexandro88 Mini Cooper S cabrio cambio automatico (AGS modalità sequenziale SD in 2 - 23000 km - cerchi s.upernova 17" - io + ragazza - benza: 6 tacche su 8)
- 4"25 50-90 206zero Cooper 2003 (107.000 km, con scarico, camme, mappa. Cerchi da 17")
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Yeaa RWD, heres a pic of a similar one (same color)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...03/xrunner.jpg
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10.5:1 compression ratio, probably 21psi of boost, and lean as hell A:F's....
Better be careful my friend. And yes, I know its a "Direct injection motor so it runs leaner than a port injected motor," but I'm not convinced that leaner than stoich ratios at 5k are ok.
Another reason why I'm not a believer in the UniChip tune and am waiting for a proper way for someone to dyno tune this ECU. You got great numbers, and I'm sure its fun, but I'll wait.
Better be careful my friend. And yes, I know its a "Direct injection motor so it runs leaner than a port injected motor," but I'm not convinced that leaner than stoich ratios at 5k are ok.
Another reason why I'm not a believer in the UniChip tune and am waiting for a proper way for someone to dyno tune this ECU. You got great numbers, and I'm sure its fun, but I'll wait.
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so, to recap - you made some big numbers but it wasn't safe so you pulled the piggyback and posted here to brag about the results (after lowering them to a safe point)?
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I have had the ECU in for around 3 months but I never realized how lean it ran. After dynoing it I disconnected the unichip, if it didnt run so lean I would have left it. I also wanted to show the numbers of a dyno with all the alta accessories minus the downpipe to let everyknow know what kind of gains/ unsafely lean AFR to expect.
Last edited by richi0207; 08-19-2008 at 05:31 AM. Reason: 1
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Well your right about that, but to me lean= possible detonation off the top of my head so I forgot to say it sorry. Well most of us know what happens when it runs too lean. . Although I did it for the numbers/ how reliable it would be/ speed so its a roundabout of everything. I am not trying to brag because we dont drive Hondas, j/k I just thought I'd share that since before I did the mods I couldnt find a dyno sheet with all the Alta accessories only the one Alta did so this is for people who had the same curiousity as I did.
Last edited by richi0207; 08-19-2008 at 09:38 AM. Reason: 1
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mazda claimed 150ish numbers...they actually come in at around 125-135ish...from all the dynos i've seen
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^^^ that is very true on most cars. Crank HP is nearly always higher than whp. (theres a good episode of Top Gear where they dyno a brand new Shelby Mustang that was rated for 500hp and actually only pushed 450-ish)
BUT... in my experience on nam and talking to other mini owners, the r56 is very underrated and actually dynos very close to crank HP and in some rare cases even slightly OVER the 172hp.
BUT... in my experience on nam and talking to other mini owners, the r56 is very underrated and actually dynos very close to crank HP and in some rare cases even slightly OVER the 172hp.
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