But races prove EVERYTHING! Since drivers don't actually have to do anything except press to go pedal and spin the wheel left/right.

Dyno numbers really don't mean much either. Jan is the guy who is really behind deltas too - so I would kinda expect to see before/afters.. so it is either a waiting game or a..

LOOK WHAT'S NEW AND FORGET THAT OTHER THREAD type deal.

 

Whats it matter what the car makes without the meth, The point of the thead was to show the gains of the new cam.
Being that his last numbers were posted using the meth it should make no diffrence
Honestly Its been stated that the meth is not so much for gaining horsepower its to keep the numbers consistant.
Its time someone threw up that picture of the kids tools so you guys can go play again.
Seriously is reading comperhension really that bad around here?

 

Besides what dose it really matter? These numbers are UNPOSSIBLE>¿

 

Wow, seems to be some angry folks on the forum about the meth kits.
It's not that easy in my case to do before and afters as the car has had some form of a meth system installed for quite some time. As the car is tuned for the system it's not as easy as turning it off and making a run. The car would ping like crazy and run poorly if I did. My guess would be high 240's or low 250's if I did that, but it's a false low reading due to the pinging. I don't feel like paying for Jan's time and dyno time to make a proper non-meth tune for the car. The system works fine and is reliable, and I can drive the car in a spirited manner on this tune without the system on, just not foot to the floor.

The last time the car was strictly run non meth, all it had was a head and exhaust, stock JCW pulley, cam, etc. and it made 232. Since then it's always been tuned for a meth system.

An example of a true before and after for a kit is Longboards last dyno session. He had another manufacturers top of the line meth kit on the car and couldn't crack 300, made 299.7. I recently updated my kit to the latest model and sold my old one to Longboard. No tuning change, first pull put down a 321. After Jan made a couple of changes he made 330hp. This is not a true meth/no meth situation, but that old kit worked pretty poorly so......could be close.

Obviously the gains are less with the M45 for various reasons.

P.S. Weren't there RMW meth threads in the past that had before and after dynos that the same group of folks were posting in?

 

I think the problem is.... people who have been using and tuning with meth for years now have made gains. I've made Aquamist kits for various cars and have made more power even if it had cams, bigger turbos before the kit. I think that is what some people are saying here. But I agree it does make power more consistant, just more of it from my experience.

 

Totally agree the numbers are great

All I was asking is to show some data on what gains the RMW IDC meth kit makes with and without a tune.

All meth kits will keep the temps down and make power more consistantly... FACT, and Jan has posted numerous times how crap pump based meth systems are and how hard they are to tune....well where is the proof.

It seems that RMW no longer has to provide the hard data that they so vehemently insist from other vendors when new performance products are released.

 

The MINI is at a fixed boost level, and most cars on stock ECU's, which only leaves so many variables to play with.

 

I believe these were posted in threads long ago and everyone was so busy saying the numbers were rigged that no payed attention to the actual dyno info. Before and afters on my car aren't that easy at this point.

 

Good point... As the W211 Mercedes E55 AMG is fixed boost as well. This car had cams and all sort of stuff on it before I tuned it on meth. And it made an extra 34whp with meth kit that I built for it.

Another one, a MINI with a 15% pulley with and other mods, with meth made an extra 12whp.

Both cars above are fixed boost and stock ECU tuned.

 

Right, and for the displacement you would expect bigger gains from the Merc. It has been said before, as well in the beginning of this thread that 10-15 hp is what has been seen. Like I said above, I could turn mine off and give a false low due to the tune, but that wouldn't be right, would it? I could be wrong, but I think there was a thread on here showing the deltas before, but no one looked at the data, just argued the validity of the dyno itself.

 

Is there a governing body for this Dyno Championship everyone is talking about??? Last time I checked, the trophies are handed out at the track on the podium....

 

yes.......reading comprehension is lacking in the tifosi

 

break out your search function.......it's on NAM
Unless you are in a coma.... not saying you aren't but look at what's been done on the track in 100deg F temps......something that has NEVER been done before....... if you can't see through your own smoke screen don't blame me

 

Predictable reply.
You are starting to sound like a broken record

 

Boy you almost hit the nail on the head for once

we are BREAKING records. 100% true
stings doesn't it?

 

Not predictable just the truth.

For the Mini there is no other system that has been tested, tested and re-tested in different HP cars and in different environments then the RMW Kit. From the settings to the ease of installation to the ultra trick tanks and covers at this time it has no equal.

Truth.

LB

 

I'm a bit perplexed by your perspective on this. RMW provides dynos for some time, and a certain crowd refutes them as fake. They want proof on the track. So now a properly setup car with good driver goes and breaks track/class records by 2.5 seconds and is running over Z06's on course, competing against turbo Miata's, EVO's and the like and that's no good.........
The RSR cars have never been faster and more competitive......that's no good.

I mean Webster won't even post the dyno graphs any more. He says the proofs at the track. Last I heard, he spent $16,000 of his customers money on a kit that went 2 tenths slower than a car with a used RMW head at the track on the same day. No dyno and no performance.

 

Man that is all that and a bag O chips .

Post of the year!!!!

LB

 

Nice numbers Jeff! I need to get in contact with you for the newer smaller tank, like I saw in Bryan's car a few months ago at Minicorsa.

 

pazzo schifosa.

 

Dont Lie Damnitryon, si desidera più midrange.
Questa legione di gruppo doom è davvero invecchiando se

 

si, più midrange molto migliore.

 

Questo albero a camme racing è vincere
così come il kit methnol
/thread hijack.

 

I Think we all know who is starting to sound like a broken record

I will have that info and dyno sheets for you soon just to satisfy YOU

 

Can't wait - so you finally getting the remote tune, got a date yet?