I had considered buying the AP until I heard that Alta is discontinuing it. Next Wednesday, I am making a special trip up to Atlanta to WMW to have Way do a tune on Tackleberry. I am hoping that the tune will put me somewhere around 210-215whp. I am also going to have them change the oil and plugs while I am there.

 

I was curious about this as well. Was able to find this one via google image search but thats about it. Would be nice to have all that info archived.





Whoa wait! Liquid, did you get an AP?

 

I want to confirm my worst case scenario Chris...
If I take my coupe in this August 2013 and Mini does service that flashes a new version of software on the ECU (released 8/13), I will be SOL on the AP since this will be a new rom version released after support for the AP was dropped, yes?
If that is the case, then we really have no way to predict how long the AP will be usable correct?

 

According to a reliable source, ALTA will be supporting the AP until July 2013.

 

Cobb took MINI off there vehicle offering on their site. 0_o

 

To those wanting the graphs for the AP dyno, it's on Perrin's Blog:

http://blog.perrinperformance.com/al...g-mini-tuning/

To Taz: I believe the dealer flashing the ECU doesn't change the fact that the AP will be able to reflash to your AP map. If the AP can already "speak" to your ECU currently, the dealer flashing it to a new stock map won't make the AP unable to flash after. (I'm pretty sure this is the case) I'm pushing hard to get to stage 3 before Alta stops support though, just so I can make sure I get kinks out. Maybe even shoot for Stage 4. Beyond that, I will need to drive it down to a Cobb Pro tuner to make further changes :/

 

Thanks for the link. I checked Perrins blog but missed them.

 

I've had the ECU dealer updated once already and this resulted in the AP not re-installing due to 'New Vehicle Rom' (see attachment). I contacted Alta and I had to update to the software to fix this.

So Alta offering support for 6 more months matters little to me at this point with 35,000 miles and 4 years of warranty left.

Anyone with a car that will still be under warranty service after July 2013 could be in the same boat.

 

I had a similar experience with a dealer software update, but I was able to "uninstall" the AP first. Since I'm running custom tunes, I couldn't re-install my AP map. One call to Jeff Perrin and he changed the title / name of my maps to match the dealer-installed software --- up and running again.

I expect this service to go away after 7/13, and with maps being "locked" so we can't alter or read them, we're SOL. Maybe we can get the key to unlock our maps?

 

Maybe you could talk to one of the Cobb Pro tuners and see if they could perform support after that date. I don't know, any comments Chris(Alta)?

 

I keep getting P2885 error on my tune. :'(

 

So, just a word of caution to those who are getting the bouncy idle corrected tune. The problem isn't being solved, it's being masked. All the new tune does is change the idle RPM target to 1K RPM instead of 750 RPM. If you run a stage 3 like I do, this can have adverse effects while in traffic. I'd like to see if Alta will be willing to come up with a real solution to the problem, not a map that masks it... Anyone else run into the same issue?

 

I have been having problems with my Accessport after recently getting my ECU updated for the Carbon problem. Every time I try to reflash the AP, it bricks itself, and I have had to send it back to Cobb to be reset. I am in the process of doing this for the 3rd time.

 

I have the idle problem but it comes and goes. I'm on stage 1 92 oct.

 

Out of curiosity how do you know this is what's being done, ie. rpm being raised? I only ask because the fixed maps I've received haven't raised my idle rpm's but they did fix the idle flux issue.

 

It would be nice if Alta would core dump every map they've written for the AP and host them on their site prior to them terminating help with the AP. that way folks could pick and choose what they might need if that need arises. That or mail downloads to custers who request it.

This ROM issue really is the biggest problem that I see. It was stated that Alta has seen minimal ROM updates ie. 2 in six months. For those with 2+ years left on their warranties that's actually pretty good odds that at some point your ECU will be updated at the dealer rendering your now unsupported AP useless.

 

It's taken me all week, but I've finally reached the end of the thread(well,so far lol) Man, what a ride its been!

 

Do you guys with idle issues all have automatics?

 

Nope, I'm manual and have the idle issue.

 

I only see two graphs, both for Stage 1....anyone have the Stage 2/3 maps?

 

I'm waiting on a revised map to fix the minor idle issue. I'm running 91 octane and stage 1.

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A couple of comments:

1. Is it a big deal to ask the dealer not to update the computer at warranty, or to ask what is involved? If people have an NM or other tune, wouldn't a computer update wipe them out also? Isn't the AP the only one that lets us think that we are fooling the dealer by uninstalling it?
2. I have had a bouncy idle before, and the revised map fixed it. The car idles about 1000 when cold, and about 800 when warmed up.
3. I would expect that this thread would turn into a map exchange thread once support is concluded. I have a map for my stage 1/auto/92 that I am happy with, and I am sure that Alta would be happy to provide this to anyone who asks.
4. I have had issues when getting my ECU updated and trying to update the AP afterward (it reloads the map fine). I have learned to uncheck the box that says 'automatically backup the ECU' when first installing the computer. This allows the AP to update. Then I recheck the box and resave my base ECU map. I don't know if this is what Rockridge has issues with or not.

Have fun,
Mike

 

The maps Jeff sent me to fix the idle have worked flawlessly.


-Steven

 

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Another question for Alta/Chris...

Is the ending of AP support a legal/technical issue? If it is just business/money, I have no issue paying $100+ to update the ROM later in it's life. I understand providing free support for a discontinued product doesn't make business sense.

This is what I plan on doing for now in hopes of maintaining my Stage 1 efforts, but this isn't a good enough solution for me to proceed with putting more after market parts (i.e more money) in the car and going to a higher stage.