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Old 08-14-2013, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Camthewookie
I will admit I haven't read through the entire thread but I have searched it and tried to read the relevant sections. Do I understand correctly that the current hypothesis is the basic JB+ will give about half the normal gains on a factory JCW setup, but that the Stage I and Stage II might be more effective for a JCW N18 car?

Even at half the gain, it would still be worth doing. Terry, have you guys had a chance to look into the JCW scenario any further?
the dyno on terry's shop car showed ~20whp/30 lb-ft wtq of gains over stock (https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-post1687.html). the butt dyno of the beta testers have also recorded decent gains. that being said, i'm not sure what the exact numbers are on an n18 jcw.
 
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A bone stock GP2 except for an intercooler was tuned by PAW. This is the results


 
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Old 08-16-2013, 09:26 AM
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Nice! Makes me want to find a GP2 engine for my coupe lol

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So how much does a tune by PAW cost, and how much can we guess the JB+ will cost? Looks like they yield about same results. 20hp/30ft-lbs

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Originally Posted by MCS2011PT
So how much does a tune by PAW cost, and how much can we guess the JB+ will cost? Looks like they yield about same results. 20hp/30ft-lbs

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PAW is $725
 
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Thanks pidge and Rob!

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Originally Posted by MCS2011PT
So how much does a tune by PAW cost, and how much can we guess the JB+ will cost? Looks like they yield about same results. 20hp/30ft-lbs

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It's not really a fair comparison. I'm pretty sure that it's already been stated that the JB+ will not have the same gains on JCW and GPII cars when compared to the S. That kind of gain on the JCW and GPII won't be available from Berger until the higher stages comes out.
 
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Originally Posted by evilc66
It's not really a fair comparison. I'm pretty sure that it's already been stated that the JB+ will not have the same gains on JCW and GPII cars when compared to the S. That kind of gain on the JCW and GPII won't be available from Berger until the higher stages comes out.
i agree. these are two different tunes on two (somewhat) different platforms. it's arguably harder to get 20whp/30wtq gains on a GP II than it is out of a MCS. and the style of the tuning is completely different as well.
i'm looking beyond the JB+ to see what terry has in store for stage 1 and 2.
 
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Originally Posted by minimechusa
Nice! Makes me want to find a GP2 engine for my coupe lol

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Selling my GP2 if that helps
 
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Selling my GP2 if that helps
Already? Is she too quick for you;-)
 
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Already? Is she too quick for you;-)
Not at all. She's really fun to drive. Had to make a choice between wedding or car, it was close...
 
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Lol probably to close I'd say as a newly wed myself I can't afford it but I'd love to get it!!!

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Originally Posted by Inkw8ll

Not at all. She's really fun to drive. Had to make a choice between wedding or car, it was close...
Lmao, well glad you made a wise decision. Wish you two the best!
 
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I hope you know about the 3 rings to a marriage.

Engagement Ring
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Suffering.

BAHAHAHAHA
 
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I hope you know about the 3 rings to a marriage.

Engagement Ring
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BAHAHAHAHA
That's evil hahaha
 
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Originally Posted by Braminator
I hope you know about the 3 rings to a marriage.

Engagement Ring
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Suffering.

BAHAHAHAHA
Lol I've heard that
 
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Originally Posted by Inkw8ll
Not at all. She's really fun to drive. Had to make a choice between wedding or car, it was close...
But wedding's aren't..... yeah i guess the wedding over the car.....
 
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Old 08-16-2013, 05:54 PM
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Paw is Florida and as far as I could tell doesn't do remote tuning. That rules them out for most of us.
 
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Please for the love of god make this work for the N14 engine!
 
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Originally Posted by pidge1114
I looked at COBB's website and did not see the access port on there for the Mini and i know Alta is not selling it anymore so what do we have for the N14 engine's?
 
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selling AP for $900 if interested pm
 
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selling AP for $900 if interested pm
Funny joke, got any others?
 
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N14 may happen in the future but no guarantees. Used accessports sell for around $600 - $650 in the marketplace. It's a good product, but a product without support is severely limited in its functionality imho.
 
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