Stay tuned man. I'm gonna run my 09 JCW on the dyno with the Ultimate Chip plug pulled and installed and see what difference it makes.

 

Yes at this point I know I'll just stir the pot, but since you seemed so concerned with accuracy...

 

Disagree with that argument that because of the front wheel and all wheel drive. How does one get 255whp and 310wtq then on a Clubman JCW? I'd love the answer to that. It's the same engine in terms of all N18s on the 2011+, so what's the difference? Power output wouldn't be determined by front or all wheel. Same engine, same results(depends on mods and tune).

Back to this chip, look forward to seeing the person above getting their dyno done!

 

Guys,

This is probably the best forum to be in regards to the prince engine. But these discussions are pointless.

For some of you let me tell you my reasoning as to why a RaceChip would be a buy and not a let go. I live in a somewhat isolated place in Brazil, there are no tuners available nearby and to take the car to a place where a tuner could make it happen is just impossible. Hence, I am considering pulling the trigger on one of those. As the USA is huge, I believe others would end up in the same situation as me.

For those who bought it, as some have stated, it would actually help if you guys could do two dyno runs. One before and one after, preferable on the same day. That is the good part about this box, the removal is instant. But if you guys cannot do it ($$$ or whatever) that's fine but it doesn't help the rest of the community at all.

That's my 2 cents. I am following these threads closely as I need to make a decision asap.

 

You're right, you're just "stirring the pot". You're quoting a couple of snippets and attempting to take them out of context while failing to address any of the issues in your claims. All you're doing with that post is trying to redirect from the misinformation in your posts. You made an absurd claim of 30whp gain from installing this product and I tried to gently refute it for the benefit of anyone who might come along doing research. Instead of acknowledging your mistakes you went on the attack.

The thread full of data that I pointed to is the best available source of general "ballpark" data for the N18 in S and JCW forms and serves to inform what folks might expect from this engine. It is, as I stated originally, imperfect for the purposes of comparing A to B but it's what we have and it's close enough to prove that, for example the stock JCW N18 doesn't put out 170whp nor does it put out 208whp, both claims that you make in previous posts in this thread.

Once again, I'm glad you're happy with your choice to purchase this product but since you refuse to provide actual data don't get all bent out of shape when you post inaccurate data and someone comes along and points out that your claims are bogus.

 

Thanks Digolfa, I know I'm not the only one who is very much looking forward to seeing your data!

 

There is more drivetrain loss in awd. So if you pulled a n18 out of a awd and fwd cars put it on an engine dyno....they would make the same power. If you put both cars on a regular dyno...same day....same dyno....same settings...the fwd car will have more power to the wheels

 

Thank you for agreeing. That way my point. They'd make the same power if they had same mods and everything including condition of the weather.

 

How much whp you think the N18 makes?

 

you missed the point i think...if its the same model car/engine, but one is going through awd and one through fwd...the fwd will have more power at the wheels because of less drivetrain loss.

 

I said same engine mods, same results.


Now if we are talking specs of 0-60 and numbers of how fast it'll go of course the outcome will be different. As for the tunes PAW and RennTech put out, the Countryman S all4 and a MCS hardtop performed similarly with the same mods.


Hopefully that makes more sense now.

 

No you're still missing the point. An AWD and FWD car with the same engine and mods will make the same power at the crank. However, the AWD will make less power at the wheels, which is where the dyno reads from, because the AWD system is more parasitic to engine power than a FWD system. That's why you hear tuners talk about a 15-20% drivetrain loss for AWD card when reading numbers (just picked percentages so don't go arguing that those numbers are bogus people).

 

I still disagree with your statement. Agree to disagree lol. But I get your point. I can't argue too much right now but if I get a chance later, I would love to explain my reasoning and for you to give me an explanation(I'm at work right now).

 

there isnt anything to disagree about...physics is physics. if the power is sent through more objects...those objects all take more power to move..hence drivetrain loss. now..if these people with awd minis are running on a 2wd dyno in fwd mode...if that is possible(not very up to date on awd minis, but i know certain awd cars car be converted to rwd or fwd to run on dynos)...then your point is valid, but if they are running awd on a awd dyno...there will be more drivetrain loss...no way around it.

a awd mini will always make less power to the wheels then a fwd mini giving all else being equal.

 

Actually that's what I was gonna say lol. That was easy enough.


Though the 3rd gens All4 system should be allowed to switch from all wheel drive to front like some SUVs can do.

 

Haha! tem carros em manaus? just kidding!

 

I installed my RaceChip from Mini Dynamics just over a weekago. I have to be honest I was still skeptical after reading forums regarding chips and how they don't deliver and even possibly cause issues with a check engine light and the warranty
.
I spoke to MiniDynamics and they provided me a lot of insight, he put all my concerns to rest.
Installed the Race Chip on my 2012 R56, I was expecting it to take awhile, well it took under 10 minutes, and I think it took me longer to open the box!

Went for my first drive, all I can say is WOW, it has unleashed the beast in the Mini. The power gain in every gear has increased drastically very smooth all they way to the red line! The sound is fantastic
It's a great design where it can be removed in a couple of minutes, when its time to go to the dealer for service.
I am running the NM down pipe back exhaust system and the NM High flow intake.
Its a great system and provides a ton of power to the Mini and shows what the Mini is really capable of!
I have not had any problems at all.
If you are skeptical call mini Dynamics and they will answer your questions.


Graham

 

everyone who "buys" this always makes their posts seem like a scripted commercial for the product instead of an actual person who bought something. very skeptical.....

 

Graham,

You have the Auto or Manual tranny. ?

 

Hi Terry,
I have the Manual.
Graham

 

Thank-You Sir.

I'm following this to see if anyone installs that with the 6-Sp. Auto-Tranny in the R56.

 

Check with Scott at Mini Dynamics, i know he has it installed on a 6spd Auto.

 

Thanks

 

Anybody notice they are all new NAM members also. Just saying.

 

But it looks like they really know their stuff:


So if that adds 11hp at the wheels and the chip adds 30hp what else can we add to break 230hp ?