Drivetrain Burger Motorsports (BMS) Tune(s)
#351
Be sure to leave the OEM heat shield on and
be careful with that product you just purchased!
#352
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: terry@burgertuning.com
Posts: 519
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
Anybody know if/when this will be available for the N14?
Serious question though.
I've got an R60 All4 S, completely stock at this point except for an AFE dry intake filter.
According to Torque on my smartphone, I'm peaking at 16.1 to 16.5 psi boost when I get on it. I'm at 4500 feet elevation and run 91 octane (10% EtOH).
This seems higher boost than others are reporting for their stock N18s, and I wonder what this means in terms of: 1) whether the JB+ will provide me any benefit, and 2) whether the JB+ will be safe in my engine -- I think too much boost is a bad thing, right?
Serious question though.
I've got an R60 All4 S, completely stock at this point except for an AFE dry intake filter.
According to Torque on my smartphone, I'm peaking at 16.1 to 16.5 psi boost when I get on it. I'm at 4500 feet elevation and run 91 octane (10% EtOH).
This seems higher boost than others are reporting for their stock N18s, and I wonder what this means in terms of: 1) whether the JB+ will provide me any benefit, and 2) whether the JB+ will be safe in my engine -- I think too much boost is a bad thing, right?
The following users liked this post:
tcyracing (08-21-2018)
#353
Ok so then it seems I'm running right about where it should be for default and it may have just backed off a little bit during the "learning" period.
#354
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: terry@burgertuning.com
Posts: 519
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
Monitoring boost is a tricky business on load based systems such as the N18. Minor changes in inlet temperature, barometric pressure, EGT (&time under boost), grade, etc, will result in noticeable boost variances. Best to come up with a standard repeatable test, say 3rd gear 2-6k, noting peak boost towards the top of that pull, to at least eliminate the non-weather related variables.
#355
12-13 psi is a bit on the low side.
You should be getting closer to 16psi with default settings(how the JB+ comes from BMS).
-And open intake as in the Alta, DDM SIS, NM Intake etc. the intakes that are fully exposed under the hood, not fully enclosed.
I asked about them because when I went from OEM intake(hitting 18-17psi) and installed an open intake, I was only hitting 12-13psi.
I'll be driving with the open set up for half the day today, then switch back to stock to compare seat of the pants feel.
**always been a firm believer of stock being best.
You should be getting closer to 16psi with default settings(how the JB+ comes from BMS).
-And open intake as in the Alta, DDM SIS, NM Intake etc. the intakes that are fully exposed under the hood, not fully enclosed.
I asked about them because when I went from OEM intake(hitting 18-17psi) and installed an open intake, I was only hitting 12-13psi.
I'll be driving with the open set up for half the day today, then switch back to stock to compare seat of the pants feel.
**always been a firm believer of stock being best.
That's a lot of boost. Is the OEM airbox THAT much better than $200+ Intakes?
Not trying to attack you. But serious question for me. If its true I'll slap my OEM airbox back on. Lol
#356
#357
It is better cause it's a TRUE CAI. The others are HAI. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings but I would never buy another "CAI" just for noises. You can slap a K&N panel filter and call it a day. Some of these guys are a but delusional. Maybe DoS might be a "CAI" but I want to see a dyno and someone on here with a JB+ on how boost is working for them.
#358
Is everyone getting similar results going back to the OEM Intake?
More PSI I should say than their open intake? It makes sense.
I would just really miss the noise. But the power would be much more rewarding. Does the OEM intake get all the air it needs to run that much boost? It doesnt choke out or anything? Does it have a consistent flow and a good amount of available air?
More PSI I should say than their open intake? It makes sense.
I would just really miss the noise. But the power would be much more rewarding. Does the OEM intake get all the air it needs to run that much boost? It doesnt choke out or anything? Does it have a consistent flow and a good amount of available air?
#360
Maybe a dumb question but doesn't hurt to ask.
If I want to take my MINI to the track, say a quarter mile strip or something.
Can I increase the boost on the JB+ and add octane booster to my tank? There is no race fuel in my area and I do not have a meth kit equipped. Just as a temporary source, is octane booster safe to run higher boost to prevent knock? Or is octane booster just stupid? Lol.
If I want to take my MINI to the track, say a quarter mile strip or something.
Can I increase the boost on the JB+ and add octane booster to my tank? There is no race fuel in my area and I do not have a meth kit equipped. Just as a temporary source, is octane booster safe to run higher boost to prevent knock? Or is octane booster just stupid? Lol.
#361
I emailed Terry and he said if MAF calibration is not correct, it can cause issues.
It just strikes me as very odd that something simple as switching intakes caused a big drop. All clamps are nice and tight, possibly turbulent air passing through the MAF? I don't know.
I'll know forsure after I switch back to stock later today and do some pulls!
I was just curious how the car would be with an open intake and meth, since heat isn't an issue any more.
#363
I'll let the car sit for a few minutes and plug the JB back in and see if that's what it was.
#365
#366
Went out for a drive and totally walked a G35 lol
I actually like the open intake with the extra boost, the car is quicker to rev and feels like a pulls better, especially up top.
But I'm in for service tomorrow, so back to stock lol
#368
#369
Jealous of all of you with the JB+! Can't wait to try one.
Anyway, I have a question since someone brought it up. I have been using the torque app on my phone. The only engine mod I have is a Helix FMIC. I don't know what my readings were before the IC went on. Normal driving I see around 13-15 psi of boost. When I accelerate it will jump up to 18-20. When I really accelerate it jumps to 22-24! Consistently. I have seen it go as high as 26!! It will stay at that level for maybe 3-4 seconds before dropping back to 18-20 then finally back to normal. The car does pull like crazy when this happens! My 19 year old son thinks the car is scary fast, that I need to get it dynoed.
The car has 19k miles. I always run 93 gas. I am seeing ambient to ambient -5 (F) for intake temps.
I tried out a new Focus ST and it felt slowwww. My son was out with a friend the other night in a different Focus ST. He came home and said my Mini would absolutely smoke the ST.
Anybody have any thoughts?
Anyway, I have a question since someone brought it up. I have been using the torque app on my phone. The only engine mod I have is a Helix FMIC. I don't know what my readings were before the IC went on. Normal driving I see around 13-15 psi of boost. When I accelerate it will jump up to 18-20. When I really accelerate it jumps to 22-24! Consistently. I have seen it go as high as 26!! It will stay at that level for maybe 3-4 seconds before dropping back to 18-20 then finally back to normal. The car does pull like crazy when this happens! My 19 year old son thinks the car is scary fast, that I need to get it dynoed.
The car has 19k miles. I always run 93 gas. I am seeing ambient to ambient -5 (F) for intake temps.
I tried out a new Focus ST and it felt slowwww. My son was out with a friend the other night in a different Focus ST. He came home and said my Mini would absolutely smoke the ST.
Anybody have any thoughts?
#373
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: terry@burgertuning.com
Posts: 519
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
The MAP sensor is 2.5 bar so it only reads up to around 21.5psi. To go above that you'd need an external system using an external 3 or 3.5 bar MAP sensor spoofing signals back to the DME. Like a JB4.
#374
#375
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: terry@burgertuning.com
Posts: 519
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
We had a higher temp enclosure (& sticker) done up a few weeks ago that I think will hold up well. I prefer the aesthetics and packaging of the shorter wires. But if we get reports of deforming with the new enclosure we'll start lengthening the wires like we had to do with our diesel tuner.