Drivetrain Burger Motorsports (BMS) Tune(s)
#452
Sounds like I need to do some runs recording calculated boost as well as manifold absolute pressure. Working in aviation its easy enough for me to find out the barometric pressure of the day and subtract the difference. If its right methinks it may be time to pressure test the intake system.
#456
I know on the jb4 product you sell for the n54 that this can adapt for varying blends of E85 automatically.
I am pretty certain that the product for the mini does not do this?
So are you saying that the stock N18 ecu itself can adapt to small levels of E85 itself, without messing up fueling etc?
Running a small 10-20% of E85 would increase the octane and have a colder burn, which is safer and help present detonation. Therefore this would allow a higher level of safety in turning up the boost levels slightly.
If this is correct, somebody not running a tune would get a mild improvement in performance, and an increased level of safety under extreme conditions, from running low dose E85. Someone running the tune would get more benefit, as they can increase the boost more than they would otherwise?
What if people don't have ready access to E85, what about other octane boosters, say 10% toluene (methyl benzine), or mixing 20% of 102 octane race fuel? I presume the ecu can adapt to this as well, and they could increase the boost a little more?
Given a choice, is E85 the preferred booster?
Robbo
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The N18 itself can adapt to small mixtures of E85. I'd keep it around 15-25% at this point. MMT based octane boosters are also effective as is race gas. I've not tried toluene, etc. The higher octanes allow the DME to raise timing. If timing is maxing out then you can also crank the boost up a bit. E85 is preferred not because of effectiveness compared to say race gas but due to the easy access and low cost for those close by stations.
#463
JB+ on order
Have waited patiently and checked Burger's website regularly. Noticed a release of more JB+'s today. Just got my order in. Thanks everyone for your feedback over the course of the past several weeks. It made my decision to purchase a "no brainer." I'll be sure to share any of my observations. I just finished an advanced police pursuit driving class today so I'm fired up to experience the performance enhancements. (Unfortunately I couldn't put my "S" through the course...bet I would have beat my HEMI Charger times.)
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#464
So will a mini ecu ever be able it handle e85? Here in iowa e85 is plentiful however lower grades, e10, e15 are not yet. However they are starting to implement 93octane fuel consisting of 10 or so % ethanol. If I'm reading this right it would be great for a mini. Would JB+ adapt to this an increase performance or would I have to manually turn it up. I'm still learning minis but in subaru's e85 is god
#466
Mixing a 25% e85 will in most cases eliminate any potential knock occurrences in any combustion engine even with added timing advance. From what I have seen with 91 and boost set at 17.5psi, I am not seeing much if any timing advance with adding 25% ethanol. Without changing the timing tables manual through a flash we will not see much benifit of E85 at this point.
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Mixing a 25% e85 will in most cases eliminate any potential knock occurrences in any combustion engine even with added timing advance. From what I have seen with 91 and boost set at 17.5psi, I am not seeing much if any timing advance with adding 25% ethanol. Without changing the timing tables manual through a flash we will not see much benifit of E85 at this point.
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The N18 itself can adapt to small mixtures of E85. I'd keep it around 15-25% at this point. MMT based octane boosters are also effective as is race gas. I've not tried toluene, etc. The higher octanes allow the DME to raise timing. If timing is maxing out then you can also crank the boost up a bit. E85 is preferred not because of effectiveness compared to say race gas but due to the easy access and low cost for those close by stations.
I'm not entirely familiar with BMW DME's and it's timing advance logic, one would think if you put a theoretical 200 octane in a stock car that it won't run 20* at full load just because it doesn't knock..lol