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Old 10-07-2013, 07:58 AM
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I live on long island in NY which is close to sea level .yesterday using my torque app i was at 14psi and was not pushing it all the way .
 
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Sounds like I need to do some runs recording calculated boost as well as manifold absolute pressure. Working in aviation its easy enough for me to find out the barometric pressure of the day and subtract the difference. If its right methinks it may be time to pressure test the intake system.
 
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Old 10-07-2013, 12:52 PM
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Good news, got another batch of 30 ready to go. We'll update the site shortly to allow orders in.
 
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sitting on your website ready to order
 
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Good news, got another batch of 30 ready to go. We'll update the site shortly to allow orders in.
 
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Old 10-07-2013, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS
Have access to E85? You should be able to mix in 20-30% without much drama and that really ups the knock resistance and power potential compared to pump gas alone.
Hi Terry,

I know on the jb4 product you sell for the n54 that this can adapt for varying blends of E85 automatically.

I am pretty certain that the product for the mini does not do this?

So are you saying that the stock N18 ecu itself can adapt to small levels of E85 itself, without messing up fueling etc?

Running a small 10-20% of E85 would increase the octane and have a colder burn, which is safer and help present detonation. Therefore this would allow a higher level of safety in turning up the boost levels slightly.

If this is correct, somebody not running a tune would get a mild improvement in performance, and an increased level of safety under extreme conditions, from running low dose E85. Someone running the tune would get more benefit, as they can increase the boost more than they would otherwise?

What if people don't have ready access to E85, what about other octane boosters, say 10% toluene (methyl benzine), or mixing 20% of 102 octane race fuel? I presume the ecu can adapt to this as well, and they could increase the boost a little more?

Given a choice, is E85 the preferred booster?

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Old 10-07-2013, 01:25 PM
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The N18 itself can adapt to small mixtures of E85. I'd keep it around 15-25% at this point. MMT based octane boosters are also effective as is race gas. I've not tried toluene, etc. The higher octanes allow the DME to raise timing. If timing is maxing out then you can also crank the boost up a bit. E85 is preferred not because of effectiveness compared to say race gas but due to the easy access and low cost for those close by stations.
 
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Ordered! Looking forward to this weekend
 
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You and me both... BTW If your watching Terry, I Love the HID fog light kit.
 
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The "InStock" and green "add to Cart" buttons never looked so sweet!!!! Cant wait for the part!!!!
 
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Terry - do you know if the JB+ will work ok here in the UK with our standard 95 fuel and 99 premium?
 
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Old 10-07-2013, 02:45 PM
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Just put my order in . i thought i was dreaming. . got a mini rally to go to this weekend .hopefully i get it before then that will be extra sweeeeeeeeeeet.
 
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JB+ on order

Have waited patiently and checked Burger's website regularly. Noticed a release of more JB+'s today. Just got my order in. Thanks everyone for your feedback over the course of the past several weeks. It made my decision to purchase a "no brainer." I'll be sure to share any of my observations. I just finished an advanced police pursuit driving class today so I'm fired up to experience the performance enhancements. (Unfortunately I couldn't put my "S" through the course...bet I would have beat my HEMI Charger times.)

 

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So will a mini ecu ever be able it handle e85? Here in iowa e85 is plentiful however lower grades, e10, e15 are not yet. However they are starting to implement 93octane fuel consisting of 10 or so % ethanol. If I'm reading this right it would be great for a mini. Would JB+ adapt to this an increase performance or would I have to manually turn it up. I'm still learning minis but in subaru's e85 is god
 
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Old 10-07-2013, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mini Me GB
Terry - do you know if the JB+ will work ok here in the UK with our standard 95 fuel and 99 premium?
I'd definitely use the premium but other than that no issues with RHD cars.
 
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Old 10-07-2013, 05:54 PM
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Mixing a 25% e85 will in most cases eliminate any potential knock occurrences in any combustion engine even with added timing advance. From what I have seen with 91 and boost set at 17.5psi, I am not seeing much if any timing advance with adding 25% ethanol. Without changing the timing tables manual through a flash we will not see much benifit of E85 at this point.
 
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS
Good news, got another batch of 30 ready to go. We'll update the site shortly to allow orders in.
Better news was the tracking number I got after ordering. Thanks!
 
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I've been checking the site everyday, finally see the green button! Ordered with 1-2day delivery, I can't wait from all the positive feedbacks here!
 
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Originally Posted by Azminispeedin
Mixing a 25% e85 will in most cases eliminate any potential knock occurrences in any combustion engine even with added timing advance. From what I have seen with 91 and boost set at 17.5psi, I am not seeing much if any timing advance with adding 25% ethanol. Without changing the timing tables manual through a flash we will not see much benifit of E85 at this point.
Octane seems a big limiting factor. I have 92 octane, 10% ethanol, 50% setting on the JB+ (default), timing on my fuel gauge and I have to lift off the gas before I see any timing being pulled. With higher octane you can crank up the JB+ (increasing psi) up to 20ish psi and let timing take care of itself.
 
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Ordered mine yesterday and a K&N filter. This is a birthday gift to myself. Can't wait to see what it will do to liven up my Clubman. I was dumb enough to get an auto. Never had one before I hope this makes me hate it less. LOL
 
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Order placed!!!
 
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Wow, fast shipping for me too, it's already in the mail to be here Thursday. We have 93 octane here in TN so I need to get rid of the mini recommended 89 in the tank.
 
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Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS
The N18 itself can adapt to small mixtures of E85. I'd keep it around 15-25% at this point. MMT based octane boosters are also effective as is race gas. I've not tried toluene, etc. The higher octanes allow the DME to raise timing. If timing is maxing out then you can also crank the boost up a bit. E85 is preferred not because of effectiveness compared to say race gas but due to the easy access and low cost for those close by stations.
Quick question. Other ECU's have a timing map(s) that the ecu will run off of as long as there isn't knock detected, but it won't run any higher than the table specifies, I'm assuming by simply adding higher octane that the ECU won't run higher timing than what's called for in the ecu right? I figure the car just...won't knock and the ecu will be able to run the timing that's predefined without having to pull any.

I'm not entirely familiar with BMW DME's and it's timing advance logic, one would think if you put a theoretical 200 octane in a stock car that it won't run 20* at full load just because it doesn't knock..lol
 
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Terry, do you send out tacking numbers for the shipment or are they sent automatically?
 
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by UnminiSCAll4
Terry, do you send out tacking numbers for the shipment or are they sent automatically?
I rarely wonder in to the warehouse personally. But the system will email tracking to your paypal email address after shipment.
 


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