Drivetrain Burger Motorsports (BMS) Tune(s)
#1876
In recently evaluating our inventory for products that are either not-profitable and/or have a high potential for misuse the CAN Tool did not make the cut. It's been discontinued. We will continue to support the logging functions for those who have purchased it though. On a go forward basis we suggest the Bavarian Technic cable for logging and code management. http://www.burgertuning.com/scanner.html
#1878
#1879
On a go forward basis we suggest the Bavarian Technic cable for logging and code management.
http://www.burgertuning.com/scanner.html
http://www.burgertuning.com/scanner.html
Just be aware that the Bavarian technic does not work on all R56 minis. I have it and it works perfectly on my 2009 N14 JCW.
However, when I try and use it on the 2013 N18 GP it does not work properly. It does download codes, but many of them are just numbers with no context. Also, it will not clear many of these codes. Even something as simple as a catalytic converter code it would not read or clear properly. This is a racecar with no airbags etc, so there are always lots of codes both in the engine and other modules, which I know are there based upon autologic scanning, but bav technic does not see them all. This compares to my N14 where bav tech is perfect.
When I looked at the documentation, bavarian technic clearly states it only supports R56 up until 2009. I emailed their tech department and they confirmed this. They have no plans to upgrade coverage anytime soon. They confirmed it would read and clear some codes on my 2013 model, but it would be patchy and incomplete.
Autoenginuity and autologic do have support, but $$$ ++
Just giving you a heads up, as people with the tune are all N18 owners. Maybe bavarian technic will work for some, but there is no guarantee. Might be worthwhile you speaking to Bavarian technic.
Last edited by robbo mcs; 03-23-2014 at 11:57 PM.
#1880
In recently evaluating our inventory for products that are either not-profitable and/or have a high potential for misuse the CAN Tool did not make the cut. It's been discontinued. We will continue to support the logging functions for those who have purchased it though.
On a go forward basis we suggest the Bavarian Technic cable for logging and code management.
http://www.burgertuning.com/scanner.html
On a go forward basis we suggest the Bavarian Technic cable for logging and code management.
http://www.burgertuning.com/scanner.html
#1881
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Terry,
Just be aware that the Bavarian technic does not work on all R56 minis. I have it and it works perfectly on my 2009 N14 JCW.
However, when I try and use it on the 2013 N18 GP it does not work properly. It does download codes, but many of them are just numbers with no context. Also, it will not clear many of these codes. Even something as simple as a catalytic converter code it would not read or clear properly. This is a racecar with no airbags etc, so there are always lots of codes both in the engine and other modules, which I know are there based upon autologic scanning, but bav technic does not see them all. This compares to my N14 where bav tech is perfect.
When I looked at the documentation, bavarian technic clearly states it only supports R56 up until 2009. I emailed their tech department and they confirmed this. They have no plans to upgrade coverage anytime soon. They confirmed it would read and clear some codes on my 2013 model, but it would be patchy and incomplete.
Autoenginuity and autologic do have support, but $$$ ++
Just giving you a heads up, as people with the tune are all N18 owners. Maybe bavarian technic will work for some, but there is no guarantee. Might be worthwhile you speaking to Bavarian technic.
Just be aware that the Bavarian technic does not work on all R56 minis. I have it and it works perfectly on my 2009 N14 JCW.
However, when I try and use it on the 2013 N18 GP it does not work properly. It does download codes, but many of them are just numbers with no context. Also, it will not clear many of these codes. Even something as simple as a catalytic converter code it would not read or clear properly. This is a racecar with no airbags etc, so there are always lots of codes both in the engine and other modules, which I know are there based upon autologic scanning, but bav technic does not see them all. This compares to my N14 where bav tech is perfect.
When I looked at the documentation, bavarian technic clearly states it only supports R56 up until 2009. I emailed their tech department and they confirmed this. They have no plans to upgrade coverage anytime soon. They confirmed it would read and clear some codes on my 2013 model, but it would be patchy and incomplete.
Autoenginuity and autologic do have support, but $$$ ++
Just giving you a heads up, as people with the tune are all N18 owners. Maybe bavarian technic will work for some, but there is no guarantee. Might be worthwhile you speaking to Bavarian technic.
#1882
Quick Question: What are acceptable timing values for WOT with the JB+ on 93 octane. Typically the number smoothly drops to about 2-3* BTDC at full boost (~16.4 lbs avg). Sometimes on the same tank of fuel in the same air (~35*F ambient) I will see the number drop to -2 or -3*. Is this normal?
Can other people post their typical timing results on 93 octane?
Can other people post their typical timing results on 93 octane?
#1885
#1888
I see three degree steps all the way down to the final resting value. That's just how the engine works. If it drops three from 11 to 8 for example that is not a symptom.
#1889
"Of more importance is watching out for sharp drops of more than 3 degrees in the engine high torque/power band…. typically in the > 4500 rpm range. Sharp drops of 3 degrees from one scan to the next indicate potential knock activity and are a general indication that the boost curve may be set too high for the available octane. Drops randomly throughout runs especially on pump grade fuels are expected but repeated drops in the same gear indicate an overly aggressive tune."
I'm running the JB+ at 50% with 93 octane and have yet see multiple 3 degree reductions (if any at all) in my data logging (this was all done with no meth). I've posted a log file a few posts up.
#1890
I suppose it is tough to decipher what is going on with my car. It's not failing to perform by any means, and all seems well I was just looking to clarify the information about the 3 degree drops. It's almost impossible to keep up with the timing number. I suppose I will flat foot it in 3rd gear at 2500 and see how it behaves as the revs climb at 100% load. I have at least 93 octane in this tank, most probably 94-95 because of the left over e85.
#1891
I suppose it is tough to decipher what is going on with my car. It's not failing to perform by any means, and all seems well I was just looking to clarify the information about the 3 degree drops. It's almost impossible to keep up with the timing number. I suppose I will flat foot it in 3rd gear at 2500 and see how it behaves as the revs climb at 100% load. I have at least 93 octane in this tank, most probably 94-95 because of the left over e85.
What do you have the JB+ set at?
It is difficult to monitor timing, normally it's bouncing all over the place. I do think it is easier on a 3 or 4th gear pull to redline. And I think it's easier to study graphs after the fact.
#1894
I'll be removing mine next week for a oil change at the dealer. I'll be doing some baseline logging with meth spraying.
#1895
#1896
Dropped the wifey off at the airport. Ended up at 115 mph (closed course in Mexico) and watched the timing drop quickly 11, 9, 6, 2, stabilizes at 1/0 then climbed slowly to 1, 2 at redline. Took it to fuel cut for the sake of completeness. Same tank of fuel described before. (93 oct plus maybe a gallon of e85) JB+ at 1
#1897