Drivetrain Burger Motorsports (BMS) Tune(s)
#1901
Can you save the data from the Scangauge for graphing later? It could just be that other things are changing (like boost increasing or intake temps increasing) which are causing the change in timing.
#1902
#1903
When looking at my graphs, say I'm at WOT and timing drops then stays constant, sometimes it will drop a few degrees but that also coincides with an increase in boost or timing will increase a few degrees and that usually coincides with a decrease in boost. So it hard to say if it was reactionary or not.
It nice to see that timing is constant on the graphs during a full gear pull. If all of a sudden timing started to decrease while all other thing remained the same, I'd be concerned.
I'm beginning to think that monitoring timing just by itself might not be very useful. AzMINIspeedin brought up this point a while back.
It nice to see that timing is constant on the graphs during a full gear pull. If all of a sudden timing started to decrease while all other thing remained the same, I'd be concerned.
I'm beginning to think that monitoring timing just by itself might not be very useful. AzMINIspeedin brought up this point a while back.
#1904
#1905
I believe that when WOT it switches over from closed-loop to open-loop mode, so AFR will go to some predetermined value which I think is based on many variables.
#1906
#1907
Was about 84 degrees here in Texas. Running 3 gal of e85 with the pot dial on 2 and only seeing about 14.5 PSI. I know boost is not a good gauge as the mini is load based and there are many other factors but last summer running straight 93 with the dial on 12, I was seeing 16.8 at times.
#1908
Was about 84 degrees here in Texas. Running 3 gal of e85 with the pot dial on 2 and only seeing about 14.5 PSI. I know boost is not a good gauge as the mini is load based and there are many other factors but last summer running straight 93 with the dial on 12, I was seeing 16.8 at times.
I can't wait to see what happens when it's going to be 55 degrees on Monday.
#1910
Southwest Mini Fest is going on this weekend down here in Phoenix AZ. Tonight we are headed to The track to run some 1/4 mile times and tomorrow is dyno day on the dynojet. Im running the JB+ on my JCW at 100% with DOS style intake, helix FMIC, 2nd cat delete, and stock jcw downpipe. Using 32oz torco accelerator in a full tank of gas, and should be around 98 octane. Car has been running perfect for the last couple months. Timing looks good. I will post some videos of the dyno results and also 1/4 mile runs tomorrow.
#1911
^^^ looking forward to the results
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
#1912
The n18 motor uses the same protocols as the n55, so you may need to select a n55 335 to read codes digits properly, etc. I'm not sure on that but Bavarian Technic can get you up to speed. I'm 100% certain it can delete any n18 DME code as the command it uses is the same as the CT for that purpose. As is the case with the CT if you have an active issue (like a faulty sensor) then that code will not clear with any tool until the sensor is replaced.
#1913
Out of interest I tried using 335 model. It was just the same as selecting 2007 mini on bavarian technic. When I scan both of my N18's it gives me engine codes in BMW format, but no context. Yes, it will clear them. However, that is not much help. No point getting a code in BMW fault code format, clearing it, but not knowing what it was or what it meant. You have no idea if it was soemthing really important or just a nothing code.
#1914
OK guys dyno day was today at southwest mini fest. 14 cars went up on the dyno, and I was the only guy running the JB+ . By the time I got to the dyno session everyone there was complaining that the dyno was reading low so I wasnt sure what to think. Im sure people complain like that allot LOL! A friend of mine ran his car right before mine for comparison sake so we could atleast see how the car stacks up against his car. He has a 2011 JCW with Alta FMIC, DOS intake, catless downpipe, and Alta accessport tune running 91oct at 23psi. He put down 223whp and 241trq witch seemed kinda low to me. I was up next and to my surprise (after everyone elses low numbers) my car put down 231whp and 230trq!! The torque does seem a little low compared to other peoples dynos with the JB+ but I guess not all Dynos are made equal. Enjoy the video. Its pretty short.
Last edited by Go-Cart; 03-29-2014 at 04:39 PM.
#1915
OK guys dyno day was today at southwest mini fest. 14 cars went up on the dyno, and I was the only guy running the JB+ . By the time I got to the dyno session everyone there was complaining that the dyno was reading low so I wasnt sure what to think. Im sure people complain like that allot LOL! A friend of mine ran his car right before mine for comparison sake so we could atleast see how the car stacks up against his car. He has a 2011 JCW with Alta FMIC, DOS intake, catless downpipe, and Alta accessport tune running 91oct at 23psi. He put down 223whp and 241trq witch seemed kinda low to me. I was up next and to my surprise (after everyone elses low numbers) my car put down 231whp and 230trq!! The torque does seem a little low compared to other peoples dynos with the JB+ but I guess not all Dynos are made equal. Enjoy the video. Its pretty short. Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83rxEwb9Jl8
#1916
Not sure, where are they on the site?
Bavarian technic gives me codes on my N14 like
30A9 : crash deactivation error.
276A : catalytic converter conversion error
I know these 2 codes are related to removing the airbag unit, which has disabled the crash deactivation of the fuel pump, and from a decat. I get them all the time
On the N18 the same two codes just show as CD89 and 3106 with no text. (I have worked out these are the same 2 codes).
When something goes wrong on the N18 I just get random codes from the bavarian technic, with no text, and no ability to decipher them
Bavarian technic gives me codes on my N14 like
30A9 : crash deactivation error.
276A : catalytic converter conversion error
I know these 2 codes are related to removing the airbag unit, which has disabled the crash deactivation of the fuel pump, and from a decat. I get them all the time
On the N18 the same two codes just show as CD89 and 3106 with no text. (I have worked out these are the same 2 codes).
When something goes wrong on the N18 I just get random codes from the bavarian technic, with no text, and no ability to decipher them
#1917
FWIW: Put the Countryman thru it's paces this morning. Yesterday was on 91 octane 'vapors' (car mileage said: --.-, lol) with the JB+ at 40%. Just prior had dragged my buddy in his modded (heavily) '05 MCS. Boy the ALL4 is *hard* to launch. Anyway, he got all the hole shots (with plenty of wheelspin :-) and slowly pulled away on runs to about 100+ mph. :-( for me, lol. So I filled up with a e85 mix (4.13 gallons, ~33%), and turned the dial a smidge past 60% (after sleep protocol...).
Took the MCSCA4 out this morning and did two back to back TopSpeed runs (roll-on in first and WOT thru to 6th). Was able to do approximately 20-30 seconds in 6th at WOT (during the run, gunning for a TopSpeed) and the timing was showing 6-7° advance on the fuel gage, sustained (it showed 'good' advance thru all gears under WOT, btw).
Saw an indicated 137 one way and 138 on return (stock wheels and original run-flats). Held the 130's for approximately 10 seconds or more, no timing retard.
Temp was 10.0°C. Wind was negligible.
Time to 'schedule' a rematch... now that we have a baseline for the JB+ @40% on 91, I am eager to see how it improves(?) with it @60% on e85.
(oh, and forgot to fold the mirrors in, darn. lol)
Took the MCSCA4 out this morning and did two back to back TopSpeed runs (roll-on in first and WOT thru to 6th). Was able to do approximately 20-30 seconds in 6th at WOT (during the run, gunning for a TopSpeed) and the timing was showing 6-7° advance on the fuel gage, sustained (it showed 'good' advance thru all gears under WOT, btw).
Saw an indicated 137 one way and 138 on return (stock wheels and original run-flats). Held the 130's for approximately 10 seconds or more, no timing retard.
Temp was 10.0°C. Wind was negligible.
Time to 'schedule' a rematch... now that we have a baseline for the JB+ @40% on 91, I am eager to see how it improves(?) with it @60% on e85.
(oh, and forgot to fold the mirrors in, darn. lol)
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#1918
Not sure, where are they on the site?
Bavarian technic gives me codes on my N14 like
30A9 : crash deactivation error.
276A : catalytic converter conversion error
I know these 2 codes are related to removing the airbag unit, which has disabled the crash deactivation of the fuel pump, and from a decat. I get them all the time
On the N18 the same two codes just show as CD89 and 3106 with no text. (I have worked out these are the same 2 codes).
When something goes wrong on the N18 I just get random codes from the bavarian technic, with no text, and no ability to decipher them
Bavarian technic gives me codes on my N14 like
30A9 : crash deactivation error.
276A : catalytic converter conversion error
I know these 2 codes are related to removing the airbag unit, which has disabled the crash deactivation of the fuel pump, and from a decat. I get them all the time
On the N18 the same two codes just show as CD89 and 3106 with no text. (I have worked out these are the same 2 codes).
When something goes wrong on the N18 I just get random codes from the bavarian technic, with no text, and no ability to decipher them
Direct link to pdf: http://www.n54tech.com/flash_files/N55_codes.pdf
You want to read the second column (hex). CD89 shows up as:
PT-CAN, message (status, crash deactivation, electric fuel pump, 135): missing
Which seems about right
#1919
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1895
Direct link to pdf: http://www.n54tech.com/flash_files/N55_codes.pdf
You want to read the second column (hex). CD89 shows up as:
PT-CAN, message (status, crash deactivation, electric fuel pump, 135): missing
Which seems about right
Direct link to pdf: http://www.n54tech.com/flash_files/N55_codes.pdf
You want to read the second column (hex). CD89 shows up as:
PT-CAN, message (status, crash deactivation, electric fuel pump, 135): missing
Which seems about right
#1920
OK guys dyno day was today at southwest mini fest. 14 cars went up on the dyno, and I was the only guy running the JB+ . By the time I got to the dyno session everyone there was complaining that the dyno was reading low so I wasnt sure what to think. Im sure people complain like that allot LOL! A friend of mine ran his car right before mine for comparison sake so we could atleast see how the car stacks up against his car. He has a 2011 JCW with Alta FMIC, DOS intake, catless downpipe, and Alta accessport tune running 91oct at 23psi. He put down 223whp and 241trq witch seemed kinda low to me. I was up next and to my surprise (after everyone elses low numbers) my car put down 231whp and 230trq!! The torque does seem a little low compared to other peoples dynos with the JB+ but I guess not all Dynos are made equal. Enjoy the video. Its pretty short.
thanks for the report and nice numbers!
in case anyone was wondering, ive ran through 6x 32oz bottles of Torco through my MCS with my JB+ @80%, and ive experienced no ill effects from the torco so far.....just ordered another 6 bottles for the spring, hopefully ill find time to get to a dyno.
#1922
nice to see other people have started experimenting with Torco...
in case anyone was wondering, ive ran through 6x 32oz bottles of Torco through my MCS with my JB+ @80%, and ive experienced no ill effects from the torco so far.....just ordered another 6 bottles for the spring, hopefully ill find time to get to a dyno.
in case anyone was wondering, ive ran through 6x 32oz bottles of Torco through my MCS with my JB+ @80%, and ive experienced no ill effects from the torco so far.....just ordered another 6 bottles for the spring, hopefully ill find time to get to a dyno.
Any input on Torco vs. the e85? Are you using the Torco because you can't get e85?
Running the e85 has been trouble free but wondering if the Torco is a safer product for higher dial settings (e.g. 75%+)
#1923
That's encouraging. I am trying to figure out if I want to switch to using the Torco and put the dial up even higher like at the setting you have, right now I am at 61-ish% and an e85 of 33%.
Any input on Torco vs. the e85? Are you using the Torco because you can't get e85?
Running the e85 has been trouble free but wondering if the Torco is a safer product for higher dial settings (e.g. 75%+)
Any input on Torco vs. the e85? Are you using the Torco because you can't get e85?
Running the e85 has been trouble free but wondering if the Torco is a safer product for higher dial settings (e.g. 75%+)
and the only reason im using TORCO is because i cannot readily find E85 in my area, nor do i want to install a water/ meth kit.....and its been working pretty well, so i see no immediate need to change to anything else...the only real downside ive found is that it adds $20 to a tank of gas....so im paying ~$5/ gallon
#1924
#1925
I'm not saying you're wrong, just interested in the source, if available. The engineer in me likes to be the eternal 'doubting Thomas'.
I'm using 91octane that is ethanol free. I could get the (up to) 10% stuff (in 91octane) but I am paying a small premium for the e-free stuff in an attempt to having (as much as possible) control of the ethanol mixture.
From all I've read, my own (limited) e85 experience (admittedly anecdotal) and your and Mcameron's most recent posts:
1. e85 is a good mixture for increasing octane for the purposes of dialing up the JB+ (to a limited degree, and as your own personal risk allows, but the octane is always a 'good' guess at best). It's cheaper than Torco and if available in your locale, readily had.
2. Torco has known octane boost values based on 91octane pump fuel (their own chart) and can therefore be (somewhat*) safer as an octane enhancer. Thus, the JB+ may be adjusted (again, to a limited degree, and as your own personal risk allows) but with a 'better' guess. It's considerably pricier that e85.
*the caveat: the rating at the fuel pump is never 100% certain...
Boy - some of us (myself included) always gotta **** with s***t...