Drivetrain Burger Motorsports (BMS) Tune(s)
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I don't know if my unit is broken but I have had it in for two weeks. I feel no difference honestly. If anything it has flattened out the power curve so its not entirely noticeable. I have the unit set to 40% for 93 octane.
After having in for a week I got the lean mixture error in bank 1 which usually means its lean in all banks... So... I have been taking it easy on it, running a slightly higher octane. I have not had the warning come back on but unless you are running E85 and can afford to rebuild an engine for fun this seems kinda risky.
I would not play around with this without a Wide band. I know MarioKart is making some downpipes with an 02 bung installed. I will be trying this out once they are fresh off the press.
After having in for a week I got the lean mixture error in bank 1 which usually means its lean in all banks... So... I have been taking it easy on it, running a slightly higher octane. I have not had the warning come back on but unless you are running E85 and can afford to rebuild an engine for fun this seems kinda risky.
I would not play around with this without a Wide band. I know MarioKart is making some downpipes with an 02 bung installed. I will be trying this out once they are fresh off the press.
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So for example when I'm using DashCommand or ScanXL, the program is taking the actual lambda value and calculating AFR by multiplying lambda by the stoichiometric ratio of the fuel that it thinks I'm using (in this case gasoline ~ 14.7). So if you are using something different than gasoline this number will not be accurate.
The best thing is to just monitor lambda directly.
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Because it's lambda (reading oxygen levels) it will always reflect 1.0 for the perfect mix. That is then converted to an A/F ratio. So long story short, the reading mechanism is completely accurate and usable for any ethanol mix. Just keep in mind you can run ethanol much leaner more safely than petroleum. E85 mixture air/fuel ratios of 13.5:1 are OK at higher RPM IMHO.
#2056
Bavarian Cable
So is the Bavarian Cable on Burgers website going to delete cell codes automatically for catless downpipes like the Can Tool does? Or do you have to delete them manually in the software? I see the can tool is gone on the site now and has been replaced. Anyone using it so far with catless downpipe?
http://www.burgertuning.com/scanner.html
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#2057
so is the bavarian cable on burgers website going to delete cell codes automatically for catless downpipes like the can tool does? Or do you have to delete them manually in the software? I see the can tool is gone on the site now and has been replaced. Anyone using it so far with catless downpipe?
Http://www.burgertuning.com/scanner.html
Http://www.burgertuning.com/scanner.html
#2059
It's funny up until recently I've always thought that ethanol was the worst thing you could do to your engine, I guess that was just propaganda.
#2060
So is the Bavarian Cable on Burgers website going to delete cell codes automatically for catless downpipes like the Can Tool does? Or do you have to delete them manually in the software? I see the can tool is gone on the site now and has been replaced. Anyone using it so far with catless downpipe?
http://www.burgertuning.com/scanner.html
http://www.burgertuning.com/scanner.html
The bavarian technic is a software program run on a laptop. You plug it in, scan the car, read the codes, clear the codes etc. Due to the nature of running it on the laptop it is not practical to do this on the fly.
Any decent generic code reader will clear the cat code, but not automatically. You will have to read the code and clear it.
I do this with the scanguage. Get the code, read it and clear it. Takes around 1 minute. The only problem with my N18 is it will not clear it with the engine running, I need to turn it off, then turn to ignition on with engine not running to clear it. On my N14 I can clear it with the engine running, so can clear the code in 10 seconds whilst driving.
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Is that because of the cooling effects of ethanol? I have been reading that running leaner with E85 is much more forgiving that gasoline.
It's funny up until recently I've always thought that ethanol was the worst thing you could do to your engine, I guess that was just propaganda.
It's funny up until recently I've always thought that ethanol was the worst thing you could do to your engine, I guess that was just propaganda.
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
#2067
Because it's lambda (reading oxygen levels) it will always reflect 1.0 for the perfect mix. That is then converted to an A/F ratio. So long story short, the reading mechanism is completely accurate and usable for any ethanol mix. Just keep in mind you can run ethanol much leaner more safely than petroleum. E85 mixture air/fuel ratios of 13.5:1 are OK at higher RPM IMHO.
From all I've read, the O2 sensor is just that: it only reads the Oxygen content of the exhaust. Its signal (lambda) is sent to the ECM for adjustment of the ratio based on the sensor's reading. Thus the fuel content is moot* (in this closed loop system). That is what's such an awesome (IMO) thing about E85 blending. It's pluses all around!!
*well, the 'limit' on blending is the fuel trim 'hardcoded' into the DME
Last edited by minniehaha; 04-21-2014 at 10:06 AM. Reason: added note
#2068
I am by no means at the level of know-how as Terry, but I second this ^^^
From all I've read, the O2 sensor is just that: it only reads the Oxygen content of the exhaust. Its signal (lambda) is sent to the ECM for adjustment of the ratio based on the sensor's reading. Thus the fuel content is moot* (in this closed loop system). That is what's such an awesome (IMO) thing about E85 blending. It's pluses all around!!
*well, the 'limit' on blending is the fuel trim 'hardcoded' into the DME
From all I've read, the O2 sensor is just that: it only reads the Oxygen content of the exhaust. Its signal (lambda) is sent to the ECM for adjustment of the ratio based on the sensor's reading. Thus the fuel content is moot* (in this closed loop system). That is what's such an awesome (IMO) thing about E85 blending. It's pluses all around!!
*well, the 'limit' on blending is the fuel trim 'hardcoded' into the DME
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#2072
Probably. But no more than opting for the dealer JCW tune which still keeps the factory warranty. Which is the maximum life you can expect from the engine without problems.
#2073
Anyone noting high idle, mine is around 1,200k when warm. I have no idea if its the e85/93 blend i am using or the JB+? Also how bad would it be to run leaded fuel in the mini. I have a choice of running Sunoco standard (110oct) or i can get unleaded 260gt (100oct). Might give that 260 gt a try a few times, running e85 after sometime can clogged fuel injectors and rust in the tank fyi.