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#1027
Any update from those running Stage II plus on Map C. Wondering if the 500cc/min Nozzle increased performance and or provided better stats? timing/AFR/boost/IAT Etc... Still running 315cc/min nozzle and wondering if I should order the larger recommended nozzle. Going to test new plugs this weekendddc4d
#1028
Actually there is very little maintenance. I add a half gallon every 600 miles. Apart from that I rarely touch it. I did change a jet today but that took 5 minutes and no tools.
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#1030
wow really? So it aerosolizes it pretty well? Pardon my lack of lingo, I assumed it consumed much more than that, I'm s commuter so that's a tank a week for me, so refill every two weeks, I guess they wouldn't be too bad.
#1031
Once I receive your ECU, let's talk about a meth kit and if you want to change your map C
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
#1032
The methanol kit is like installing an amplifier for your stereo. Methanol as been around since WWI, but had become the popular because of cooling properties, extra fuel and high octane. Once I receive your ECU, let's talk about a meth kit and if you want to change your map C
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
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Here's two links to other threads:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...n-systems.html
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-training.html
#1036
Updated pricing and staged levels
Stage 1 $500
Standard car
Stage 1 + $550
FMIC + PANEL FILTER
FMIC + CAI
FMIC + CAI + CBE
Stage 2 $550
DP + FMIC
DP + FMIC + CAI
TBE + FMIC
TBE + FMIC + CAI
Stage 2+ $600
TBE + FMIC + CAI + RACE FUEL
TBE + FMIC + CAI + METH INJECTION
Stage 3 and above are anything turbo swapped, built engine, ported heads etc.
Jcw turbo on mcs counts as stage 3 btw
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copied from our thread on Manic
Updated pricing and staged levels
Stage 1 $500
Standard car
Stage 1 + $550
FMIC + PANEL FILTER
FMIC + CAI
FMIC + CAI + CBE
Stage 2 $550
DP + FMIC
DP + FMIC + CAI
TBE + FMIC
TBE + FMIC + CAI
Stage 2+ $600
TBE + FMIC + CAI + RACE FUEL
TBE + FMIC + CAI + METH INJECTION
Stage 3 and above are anything turbo swapped, built engine, ported heads etc.
Jcw turbo on mcs counts as stage 3 btw
Updated pricing and staged levels
Stage 1 $500
Standard car
Stage 1 + $550
FMIC + PANEL FILTER
FMIC + CAI
FMIC + CAI + CBE
Stage 2 $550
DP + FMIC
DP + FMIC + CAI
TBE + FMIC
TBE + FMIC + CAI
Stage 2+ $600
TBE + FMIC + CAI + RACE FUEL
TBE + FMIC + CAI + METH INJECTION
Stage 3 and above are anything turbo swapped, built engine, ported heads etc.
Jcw turbo on mcs counts as stage 3 btw
#1038
#1040
Awesome Cerenkov. Looking Forward to your input. Last we talked at the meet in Raleigh, I told you my logs looked on point... However, I feel that there might be more to come with the increased alcohol flow. It's not a lot of money for a larger nozzle( but would hate to order and install only to find out it had negative effects rather than progressive results).
If it was me, on Map C, I would try for 500cc flow, for the sole reason that Manic recommends it.
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Am I way off by over thinking this. Let me know.
Thanks NAM...
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#1042
Wow. Mario took care of my stage 2.5 and all I gotta say so far is WOW. And I'm only on map A. Took it for a blast on my usual weekend route and every hill is no problem, the car pulls and pulls and pulls! Will get some more wheel time and logging in this week, but so far everything looks and feels great.
#1043
Manic tunes are spec'd in bar not PSI. On top of that it depends on which mode you are in and what kind of car and fuel type you are starting with. This is just an example so the tune you/others have may be different. N14 stage 1 with 91 Map A 1.2 bar Map B 1.3 bar Map C 1.4 bar N18 stage 1 with 91 Map A 1.2 bar Map B 1.3 bar Map C 1.4 bar N18 JCW with 93 Map A 1.3 bar Map B 1.4 bar Map C 1.45 bar These are not peak boost spike levels. There is no programmed overboost settings on Manic tunes they goal is to hit that boost level and hold it until redline. If your turbo can keep up that is. Some of the MCS turbos will drop a little towards the end but JCW turbo will pull 22psi until redline. Hope that answers the question.
#1044
I was just looking at this again today. I am running the stage 2+ and have run both b and C maps with meth, and I have not seen anything above 18 or so PSI. Sill question, but can't the size of the intercooler cause you to loose PSI? I was reading into the Alta intercooler I am running and it states only a 1.5 psi loss of boost. Just wondering if that is why I have not seen 20 psi.
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So to quell any misconception, this is in no way shape or form an attempt to discredit tuners... As I know it, these Tunes are Maps that are created and offered to Tuners via an interested investment of said tune to purchase credits and program tunes to local DMEs...
My question is forwarded to the manufacturer which created the tune that states said levels I.e. Lev.1, Lev.1+1 --- to --- Lev. 2+. What y'all think
My question is forwarded to the manufacturer which created the tune that states said levels I.e. Lev.1, Lev.1+1 --- to --- Lev. 2+. What y'all think
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#1046
Wow. Mario took care of my stage 2.5 and all I gotta say so far is WOW. And I'm only on map A. Took it for a blast on my usual weekend route and every hill is no problem, the car pulls and pulls and pulls! Will get some more wheel time and logging in this week, but so far everything looks and feels great.
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
#1047
So I guess the true question is, could there be any negative effects when pumping too much alcohol? At one point in the past, I ran the wrong Nozzle with my JB+. I upped the Nozzle so I could run the JB @ 80%, or rather the 3 o'clock position. My MINI went into limp mode. Took off the JB and same results. Turned out I was running a 600cc/min nozzle.
(But TBT, that was while running Boost Juice 48/52 Water/Meth Snow performance blend, not M1) It seemed that the DME did not like the extra H2O. Not sure if this will happen with straight alcohol. I get it that Manic stated a 500cc/min flow rate was recommended for Stage 2 + on Map C. But, I'd like to know whether to run straight Meth/M1 or not. And-or if 100 plus octane/or what octane/race gas. If we are going to push our MINIs to that limiting threshold for the fact of pure adrenaline via our enthusiastic nature, I would hope someone can provide an example of the test bed Map C was produced upon. I.e. Left and Right Limits.
Am I way off by over thinking this. Let me know.
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Am I way off by over thinking this. Let me know.
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On the other hand if you're not running the required amount of meth then it could be harmful, in an expensive way.
As I understood it map C requires race gas or meth. No need to run both.
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So to quell any misconception, this is in no way shape or form an attempt to discredit tuners... As I know it, these Tunes are Maps that are created and offered to Tuners via an interested investment of said tune to purchase credits and program tunes to local DMEs...
My question is forwarded to the manufacturer which created the tune that states said levels I.e. Lev.1, Lev.1+1 --- to --- Lev. 2+. What y'all think![Popcorn](https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/images/smilies/popcorn.gif)
My question is forwarded to the manufacturer which created the tune that states said levels I.e. Lev.1, Lev.1+1 --- to --- Lev. 2+. What y'all think
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For 100% meth I don't think it will cause issues. Unlike water it's fuel so the DME should be able to trim it out if necessary. See if you are maxing out your fuel trims. Even if you do you would just run rich.
On the other hand if you're not running the required amount of meth then it could be harmful, in an expensive way.
As I understood it map C requires race gas or meth. No need to run both.
On the other hand if you're not running the required amount of meth then it could be harmful, in an expensive way.
As I understood it map C requires race gas or meth. No need to run both.
#1050
I have been running the 500cc jet. With the Aquamist system this is a 1.0 jet. I have used it on all maps with no problem. I was very hesitant at first as well but you will be fine. I actually went for a carbon cleaning yesterday as I am at 62k and there was barely any carbon. Is that related to the use of meth? Maybe...