Drivetrain Manic Motorsport brings us N18 owners OBD II Tuning! Solution is finally here!
#2001
I run a Stage 3 and will soon habe my own Big Valve Head this week and I run 3 gallons of E85 and 11 gallons of 91, I also run 100% 500cc meth. The E85 is noticeable, convient and cheap, also I have a the newer Bosch fuel pump, found in the late 12' and up N18 motors. My AFR is 11.2-11.5 at 24psi and 16 degrees of timing. In many cases my IAT's are 100F lower than not having meth
Notice my YouTube video show 91f outside and IAT are 94F but one I hit 20psi, I drop almost 20F under ambient..Crazy!!
Notice my YouTube video show 91f outside and IAT are 94F but one I hit 20psi, I drop almost 20F under ambient..Crazy!!
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
#2005
Thank you,
The gauge is a P3 and it matches the orange Mini interior perfectly. I love hitting high boost and seeing my IAT's below ambient temps.
Mario
The gauge is a P3 and it matches the orange Mini interior perfectly. I love hitting high boost and seeing my IAT's below ambient temps.
Mario
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
#2006
#2007
Seems like some folks like to get nasty especially when one questions their position.
I think one needs to always look at the source(s)
Here, again an article from Sunoco. They might know a little more that the weekend hobbyist mostly found here.
Gas and fuel are interchangeable terms. See the title of the article please...and the quote contained within the article.
I would tend to trust this source.
http://www.racegas.com/article/10
To quote Sunoco,. which I use in my race car
"You might be surprised to learn that some of the highest octane fuels may also be some of the fastest burning fuels!"
Seems like some thoughts given here are debatable but mine would be not to give up their day job unless they works in the automotive repair biz, then one really needs to reconsider......
I think one needs to always look at the source(s)
Here, again an article from Sunoco. They might know a little more that the weekend hobbyist mostly found here.
Gas and fuel are interchangeable terms. See the title of the article please...and the quote contained within the article.
I would tend to trust this source.
http://www.racegas.com/article/10
To quote Sunoco,. which I use in my race car
"You might be surprised to learn that some of the highest octane fuels may also be some of the fastest burning fuels!"
Seems like some thoughts given here are debatable but mine would be not to give up their day job unless they works in the automotive repair biz, then one really needs to reconsider......
Last edited by Indimanic; 08-21-2015 at 07:18 PM.
#2008
Seems like some folks like to get nasty especially when one questions their position.
I think one needs to always look at the source(s)
Here, again an article from Sunoco. They might know a little more that the weekend hobbyist mostly found here.
Gas and fuel are interchangeable terms. See the title of the article please...and the quote contained within the article.
I would tend to trust this source.
http://www.racegas.com/article/10
To quote Sunoco,. which I use in my race car
"You might be surprised to learn that some of the highest octane fuels may also be some of the fastest burning fuels!"
Seems like some thoughts given here are debatable but mine would be not to give up their day job unless they works in the automotive repair biz, then one really needs to reconsider......
I think one needs to always look at the source(s)
Here, again an article from Sunoco. They might know a little more that the weekend hobbyist mostly found here.
Gas and fuel are interchangeable terms. See the title of the article please...and the quote contained within the article.
I would tend to trust this source.
http://www.racegas.com/article/10
To quote Sunoco,. which I use in my race car
"You might be surprised to learn that some of the highest octane fuels may also be some of the fastest burning fuels!"
Seems like some thoughts given here are debatable but mine would be not to give up their day job unless they works in the automotive repair biz, then one really needs to reconsider......
Last edited by Gearheadaddy; 08-22-2015 at 12:09 PM.
#2010
I believe when the member was told that higher octane (91-93) gasoline burns slower, he immediately starting focusing on faster burning racing fuels which doesn't have anything to do with higher octane (91-93) pump gasoline which was what we were talking about originally. It was a bit off topic and misleading that may have lead to other member's being confused, it's good that a few member's set the record strait though.
#2012
Here's a great article on fuel/gas/race gas and snake oil
http://www.2strokeheads.com/tech-octane-detonation.htm
it's important to understand for those who are running high boost tunes
As for E85; I noticed with just a 15% mix my fuel trims were way high as would be expected and since it burns way hotter I wonder about it's application in our engines either on the street or track. It takes just a few seconds to burn up a piston cylinder wall and/or exhaust valve. Modifying is a very slippery slope and one must recognize all the important deleterious consequences of not covering all the bases. If one is getting a serious tune, the fact is the motor needs a more serious fuel.
Manic is concerned about the fuel here in CA and has to limit certain parameters in the tune unless one can get the correct "fluid" in the tank.
http://www.2strokeheads.com/tech-octane-detonation.htm
it's important to understand for those who are running high boost tunes
As for E85; I noticed with just a 15% mix my fuel trims were way high as would be expected and since it burns way hotter I wonder about it's application in our engines either on the street or track. It takes just a few seconds to burn up a piston cylinder wall and/or exhaust valve. Modifying is a very slippery slope and one must recognize all the important deleterious consequences of not covering all the bases. If one is getting a serious tune, the fact is the motor needs a more serious fuel.
Manic is concerned about the fuel here in CA and has to limit certain parameters in the tune unless one can get the correct "fluid" in the tank.
Last edited by Indimanic; 08-24-2015 at 01:49 AM.
#2013
#2014
Does the higher octane fuel burn at a slower rate than lower octane fuel? IMO.. MAYBE, SOMETIMES, YES, and NO.. See above.. the rate of burn is dependant on many variables but to state that just because the octane is higher, then the burn is slower, is 100% incorrect.
Don't believe me?? Why should you? there are countless articles contradicting what I just said.. Well.. see an interview from the Sunoco Engineer below (I will highlight the best parts LOL)
Don't believe me?? Why should you? there are countless articles contradicting what I just said.. Well.. see an interview from the Sunoco Engineer below (I will highlight the best parts LOL)
I believe it might be time to create another thread on gasoline/fuels because this thread is about Manic Tuning and I don't think it's fair to flood it with gasoline versus racing fuels. That's just my opinion though.
The only thing I liked about 1998 were the gasoline prices!
Last edited by Systemlord; 08-24-2015 at 02:44 AM.
#2015
ethanol can burn cooler and produce more power, in reality, we end up burning as much ethanol as possible to get max power. This results in higher cylinder temps than gas
I watched temps on 2 identical engine from the cylinder heads and the E85 burned some 160 degrees hotter. Understanding fuel is vital to having certain Manic tunes dot heir thing properly. Consumers need to know this. If they did, perhaps they would not be buying new engines as often. People need to look at the totality of what they are trying to accomplish. FMIC, DP's, ignition systems, and fuel. To say not knowing what one must put in their tank is careless and dangerous. B
I watched temps on 2 identical engine from the cylinder heads and the E85 burned some 160 degrees hotter. Understanding fuel is vital to having certain Manic tunes dot heir thing properly. Consumers need to know this. If they did, perhaps they would not be buying new engines as often. People need to look at the totality of what they are trying to accomplish. FMIC, DP's, ignition systems, and fuel. To say not knowing what one must put in their tank is careless and dangerous. B
Last edited by Indimanic; 08-25-2015 at 12:48 AM.
#2018
mQubed Motorsport, Manic Tuning Dealer
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
#2021
#2022
#2023
I already went to an exhaust shop and didn't find any leaks. If there was a leak, it definitely would be noticeable on stock map, right?
#2024
From my logs, the Manic maps are richer at WOT compared to the stock map. During partial throttle driving, my AFR gauges bounces around 14.7, which is what you'd expect.
Do you have a way to monitor AFR?
#2025
True, my AFR at 6500 is 11.3 on 24psi, stock at 16psi was 12.5 and 12.9 with a JB+ I haven't spent time adjusting my AFR and timing for my new big valve head/full port. Even at 10 AFR I don't have smell issues and I'm complete catless. I need to get my car adjusted, my AFR and timing are in the super safe zone, I have to force my self to stop driving my M4 mQubed Motorsport, Manic Tuning Dealer
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp