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Old 10-27-2006, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by everytimeidie027
Also, thanks Shoe for sending it so fast! I wasnt expecting it today at all, the FedEx tracking website doesnt even show it as shipped haha
You're welcome. Typically if I receive a payment before 11:00pm or so, I will pack it up right away and then drop it off at the mailbox at the train station the next morning before work.

Priority Mail is the way to go! I can pay and print the label on the PC in a minute or two. 'Tis most convenient.
 
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I would not use one on the other end of an impact wrench, but I have beat on them pretty hard and have not had a single issue. Used them in every stage of a DIY turbo build up in a miata.

While I love them for everyday speed, they are really great for that bolt that you can't see, can only get a finger and a half on and your project is already 4 hours longer than you thought..... With about 5° (i think!) between gears you can just tick-tick-tick until it's tight. The 12mm on the back of the miata for adjusting the timing is the first that comes to mind, but there are so many.

I have them in full size and stubby, metric and standard. Also, flex head metric. I would not trade them for anything else!

Have to go sign another gearwrench check! Just kidding!



Originally Posted by kenchan
^^ those gear wrenches handle about how much torque in ft/lbs do you
think? im always worried that i'll break them..that's why i was thinking
about going the basic box wrench stubby.

might just do the popular size in those gear wrenches though... like
10, 12, and 17 or something.
 
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Originally Posted by fishbulb
I would not use one on the other end of an impact wrench, but I have beat on them pretty hard and have not had a single issue. Used them in every stage of a DIY turbo build up in a miata.

While I love them for everyday speed, they are really great for that bolt that you can't see, can only get a finger and a half on and your project is already 4 hours longer than you thought..... With about 5° (i think!) between gears you can just tick-tick-tick until it's tight. The 12mm on the back of the miata for adjusting the timing is the first that comes to mind, but there are so many.

I have them in full size and stubby, metric and standard. Also, flex head metric. I would not trade them for anything else!

Have to go sign another gearwrench check! Just kidding!
thanks for the info. i was over at sears today looking at
them trying to decide whether i should just get the non ratchet type
or not... will go back there over the weekend and get me the stubby
with ratchet action then.
 
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wanna-mini- that vibration that you say might go away. that was the
same way with my very first impression when i fired up the motor right
after install.

but the next day (after a quick spin) the vibration, rather just louder
motor noise, was no longer there.
 
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Old 10-27-2006, 04:31 PM
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Now that you mention it, I have noticed that the vibration has quited down a little.

How about that second bell washer? Was an extra included for those who have butterfingers?
 
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Originally Posted by Want-a-mini
Now that you mention it, I have noticed that the vibration has quited down a little.

How about that second bell washer? Was an extra included for those who have butterfingers?
according to shoe and partsman, the 2nd one was only an option... i used
them both on mine, but on the motor side, you don't need to use.
 
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It's an extra for manual transmission users. The MCSa owners definitely need the 2nd washer.
 
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Originally Posted by everytimeidie027
I got my engine damper today along with my spygear toggle switch! I just got done installing it. masking tape is needed to keep the pieces together. finding them after you drop them is a pain. I have an MCSa and you need to grind down the frame a bit to get the bolt to go where you want it to, I couldnt find any other way around this, I looked into my dads MC and he had so much more room to install an engine damper. well after grinding the frame a little, the rest was a breeze. I took it for a test drive and it felt great, no more bucking especially when I gently apply pressure on the brake to slow down. This is a great mod, and for only $55, plus shipping, its cheap too!
nice job jon! glad you got a chance to install it and feel what i am feeling. the red was a great choice in color. i wished i choice the red instead of the silver. blue would of been suffice but heck, its all good, performance whether being silver, red or blue works well.

nice car jon
 
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Originally Posted by LordOfTheFlies
It's an extra for manual transmission users. The MCSa owners definitely need the 2nd washer.
Are you sure? I took off the bell on the motor side and look... it's
right up against the belt tensioner. it looks like more of a requirement
on my 03 MCS MT... i would rather have it rub a tad on the frame.

 
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Yep, I'm sure.

The picture below shows that the damper is just a wee bit too long. You need to shorten the length.

Did you hand tighten the block side first and THEN attach the frame side or did you do the reverse? Also realize that there is a bit wiggle room since the hole is bigger than the bolt....so you want to adjust the length of the damper so that it's just long enough to reach. Another trick is to push the damper at the frame mounting area towards the passenger side and rear of the car as you tighten down the nut. Yes, it would seem that 8 hands are required for this but it can be done with a little patience.

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Originally Posted by kenchan
Are you sure? I took off the bell on the motor side and look... it's
right up against the belt tensioner. it looks like more of a requirement
on my 03 MCS MT... i would rather have it rub a tad on the frame.

 
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Originally Posted by A S K
nice job jon! glad you got a chance to install it and feel what i am feeling. the red was a great choice in color. i wished i choice the red instead of the silver. blue would of been suffice but heck, its all good, performance whether being silver, red or blue works well.

nice car jon
Thanks for telling me about this Adam, I'm sure the silver looks great too, you should post a pic
 
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Originally Posted by LordOfTheFlies
Yep, I'm sure.

The picture below shows that the damper is just a wee bit too long. You need to shorten the length.

Did you hand tighten the block side first and THEN attach the frame side or did you do the reverse? Also realize that there is a bit wiggle room since the hole is bigger than the bolt....so you want to adjust the length of the damper so that it's just long enough to reach. Another trick is to push the damper at the frame mounting area towards the passenger side and rear of the car as you tighten down the nut. Yes, it would seem that 8 hands are required for this but it can be done with a little patience.

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the damper is about as short as i can get it. it's at the most rear part
of the hole on the frame (as you mentioned you can move it around a
little). it is also at the out most side of the hole on the passenger side.

i think the only other way it would have the 4-5mm clearance would be to
flip the damper the other way... im not sure if that would
make a difference.

i attached the frame side (loose) then attached the motor side (loose)
to adjust the length as short as possible, then torqued down the motor
side, while pushing aft and out. then took a spin, re-torqued again.

what year is your car? perhaps its model year dependant...(?)
regardless if you use the bell on the motor side it works on mine.
 
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Old 10-29-2006, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PuppetMaster2u
Would this be a mod primarily for manual transmissions? I have an automatic.. (for the wife..i swear)
I was laughing when I read the part about "(for the wife..i swear)", as I am in the exact same position on mine and I have been wondering the very same thing about the damper. The one thing I have read here though that makes me pause is that the added vibrations are claimed to be even worse on the automatic. I love my wife and my Mini (also a MCSCa), but I often wonder if I would have been better off to force the issue and make her learn stick.
 
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LOL - Join the club I guess I think the same thing sometimes...
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Originally Posted by blackie
I was laughing when I read the part about "(for the wife..i swear)", as I am in the exact same position on mine and I have been wondering the very same thing about the damper. The one thing I have read here though that makes me pause is that the added vibrations are claimed to be even worse on the automatic. I love my wife and my Mini (also a MCSCa), but I often wonder if I would have been better off to force the issue and make her learn stick.
akkkk, it's only a $62 mod... and the vibration isn't noticable on my car.
i noticed it when i first cranked it, but it settled.

try it, if you don't like it im sure there are others that'll take them off
your hands. give it a shot.
 
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Old 10-30-2006, 07:24 AM
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Has anyone installed one on a early model MC? I have an '03 and was wondering how noticeable it would be.
 
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I drive an '05 MCS. I really want this mod, but would this do any voiding to my warrenty at all? Thanks

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I drive an '05 MCS. I really want this mod, but would this do any voiding to my warrenty at all? Thanks

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If your stock motor mount starts leaking they might give you a hard time. But it's really dealer dependent. And heck, if it does start leaking (which it would do regardless of whether or not you install the damper) then just take it off before you go to the dealer.

You should be fine.

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Originally Posted by blackie
I was laughing when I read the part about "(for the wife..i swear)", as I am in the exact same position on mine and I have been wondering the very same thing about the damper. The one thing I have read here though that makes me pause is that the added vibrations are claimed to be even worse on the automatic. I love my wife and my Mini (also a MCSCa), but I often wonder if I would have been better off to force the issue and make her learn stick.
The vibrations are harly noticeable. Again, I had some massive rattling but that was actually because my exhaust gaskets totally rusted through and the entire exhaust was loose and leaking. I just replaced the gaskets on Sat and all is well again.

The space is tight - on an MCSa it is even tighter...so remember, patience goes a long way...and buy the telescopic magnet!!! I'm telling you it will save your butt!

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Two questions...

1) Will I have to do any kind of grinding or drilling to install this on my '03 MC?

2) Do they come in Green?
 
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Two questions...

1) Will I have to do any kind of grinding or drilling to install this on my '03 MC?

2) Do they come in Green?
1) Check post # 598 in the group buy thread HERE and see if you have the extra material. Seems that 2002 BUILD year cars have this extra material - in which case you would need to purchase a bracket (in development) or drill away like Dr. Obnxs.

2) Red, blue, or silver only. (Silver out of stock right now, available mid-to-late November)
 
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I just got my Red Engine Damper yesterday....

I have a question though... Is the black washer that is on the damper suppose to be oddly shaped????

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I just got my Red Engine Damper yesterday....

I have a question though... Is the black washer that is on the damper suppose to be oddly shaped????

Allen
Yup.

It gets squeezed once you tighten down the nut.

 
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Yup.

It gets squeezed once you tighten down the nut.

hey, mine didn't come with those washers!!!








not that i really care...
 
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Dunno if the question has been posed (i did read the whole post though)-

I've read of the engine dropping in severe front impact to protect the passengers during an accident.

1) is this true or myth?

2) how would the addition of this product affect it (if true and not myth)

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