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Old 03-31-2008, 05:12 PM
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Looks nice! Can I have your old ones?
 
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The Work set is sent in to the shop for cleaning up. They really need that.

Here is the Work at its prime.

 
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110 miles around town today. With ~10lbs/corner lighter, it feels very light, easier to rev up.

Can't wait to go to the track (or THE Twisties, the one near Annapolis )

But don't look at the wheel gap.
 

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Some article about the advantage of lighter wheel set.
Rotational Inertia (or Momentum)

Rotational inertia is a concept a bit more difficult to deal with than unsprung weight. Inertia can be thought of as why a car wants to keep rolling once moving, or remain in place once stopped (unless you forget to set the parking brake on that hill). I believe the terms momentum and inertia are interchangeable. The term “flywheel effect” also refers to these concepts. In a car, there are a number of rotating masses which require energy to accelerate. Up front, ignoring the internal engine components like the crankshaft, we have to worry about the flywheel, clutch assembly, gears, axles, brake rotor and wheel/tire. Out back its a little simpler (for FWD) with just the brakes and wheel/tire contributing most of the mass.

The more mass an object has, the more energy it takes to accelerate it. To accelerate a rolling object such as a wheel, you must both accelerate its mass plus overcome its rotational inertia. As for braking, you must overcome its rotational inertia plus decelerate its mass. By reducing the weight of the vehicle's rotational mass, lightweight wheel provide more responsive acceleration and braking.

Before continuing with our informal analysis here, I want to point out something very important about rotational inertia. We’ve all seen the ice skating move where the skater starts spinning. She pulls her arms in and speeds up, then extends them again and slows down. Why is this? Well, the further a mass is from the center of rotation, the faster it must travel for a given angular speed (how many degrees of an arc it traverses per time unit). The faster anything moves, the more energy it has, so when the arms are pulled in, conservation of energy says that the rotation rate must increase due to equal energy being applied to the same mass over a smaller diameter. Applying this to wheels and tires, which have most of their mass spread as far as possible from the rotation center, I think you’ll agree that it naturally takes more energy to accelerate them. Example: Take a two identical masses, but one is a solid disk of diameter D, the other is a ring of diameter 2D. The ring will require more force to accelerate it (in a rotational manner). Therefore a heavier rim with a smaller diameter could have less rotational mass than a lighter rim of a larger size, and accelerate faster with the same force applied.

The effect of rotating mass can be calculated using Moment of Inertia (MOI). MoI is related to not only the mass of the rotating object, but the distribution of that mass around the rotational center. The further from the center, the higher the MoI. The higher the MoI, the more torque required to accelerate the object. The higher the acceleration, the higher the torque required.

Because of this, the weight of rotating mass such as wheels and tires on a car have a bigger effect on acceleration than static weight such as on the chassis on a car. When purchasing new wheels and tires for a performance car, it can be useful to compare the effects of different wheel and tire combinations. This is especially true when considering upgrading to larger wheels or tires on a car.

The use of light-weight alloys in wheels reduces rotational mass. This means that less energy will be required to accelerate the wheel. Given that each pound of rotational mass lost provides an equivalent performance gain as a 10 pound reduction in vehicle weight, the benefits of light alloy wheels on vehicle performance cannot be overlooked.
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A reduction in the weight of the rim/tire assembly of 5lbs x 4 (all around the car) is equivalent to a 200lb weight reduction in vehicle weight (thats worth 0.200 in the 1/4 mile)
 
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Old 04-02-2008, 05:54 PM
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More updated.

I had a chance to hit some twisties this afternoon. It feels very different compare to the 18" set. Ride is softer and quieter but felt much peppier.

Though the car is quicker, but i feel less confident off the ramp at high speed compare to the 18". I think it's because of its taller side wall.

Other than that its fun.
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It so nice today, I clean Maxi a little for a photo shoot during the test run.

Maxi in her "track day setup"





 
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Old 04-02-2008, 11:06 PM
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AArrrggghhh! That wheel gap is huge!!!
 
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Maxi, congrats on your new setup. What is the outer diameter of your tires?
 
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Old 04-03-2008, 05:02 AM
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AArrrggghhh! That wheel gap is huge!!!
I know, I know.

It is that I can not make Maxi any lower than this on this set of wheels without sweeping all the road.

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Maxi, congrats on your new setup. What is the outer diameter of your tires?
Actually, it is a setup for track day fun or the like. I will put the Work set back on once it's done cleaning up.

I wish the 18" would be this light though.

I think the diameter is ~ 23", I'm not certain. But the speedo is off about +7 mph though.
 
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Old 04-03-2008, 05:50 AM
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Yeah I really noticed the difference 'off the line' when I bought the Kosei's a month after I got the car. (16 Lbs per wheel)
 
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Yeah I really noticed the difference 'off the line' when I bought the Kosei's a month after I got the car. (16 Lbs per wheel)
Off the line is better, actually, all around is better.

But I notice of slightly worse gas mileage, may be due to smaller tire diameter or heavier right foot.
 
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Old 04-24-2008, 09:01 PM
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Header ......................

Should I or........... should I not.
 
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Old 04-25-2008, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Maxicooper
Header ......................

Should I or........... should I not.
I'd drop a dime on Jan for his opinion..... See what could be gained by a re-tune after putting on a header.
 
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Old 04-25-2008, 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Maxicooper
Header ......................

Should I or........... should I not.
Don;t you already know the answer to that?
 
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Old 04-25-2008, 04:13 AM
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Old 04-25-2008, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FeedBack
I'd drop a dime on Jan for his opinion..... See what could be gained by a re-tune after putting on a header.
True...true...true...

But I'm afraid he will try to convince me to get his header instead.
 
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Old 04-25-2008, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by PlayPlay
Don;t you already know the answer to that?

It's 98% a go already.

Originally Posted by PGT
 
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Not as shiny as the picture, but got same flow rate. That's count.
 

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what the hell is that a pic of?
 
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Old 04-27-2008, 12:27 PM
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what the hell is that a pic of?
A new misile launcher.
 
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Old 04-27-2008, 05:09 PM
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This one is also come into my mind as well. Oh well...........
 
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there's a set of AP Racing brakes on ebay at the moment...same price (need 17's though)
 
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Old 04-27-2008, 05:52 PM
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there's a set of AP Racing brakes on ebay at the moment...same price (need 17's though)
That sounds good as well. But I'd like to have an OEM looks with a touch of red "bling".
 
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Old 04-27-2008, 06:00 PM
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well, you can do that with a $15 Duplicolor kit.
 
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The man has Work VS-xx and RMW stuff coming...don't think the duplicolor is gonna cut it

I was hoping he'd splurge for the Arqray titanium exhaust, but oh well....
 
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worked for me and I have RMW and VS-XX coming
 


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