You know what I know, yet you invent scenarios. I haven't seen the engine, but I trust what Peter and Randy have told us all.

 

So then all the posts from you and motorsports3 are just because M7 hasn't kept us up to date on a daily basis about the M62 project or any other projects they are working on?
Just because we all own MINIs doesn't mean that makes it our business.

I would think that being adults you guys would have more important things to worry about, instead of obsessing about what happened to the M7 car. Give it a rest. All this speculation from you two is not going to make them put the car together any faster or post anymore info any quicker.

Also, why do you need to see pics of a broken piston so bad? If you don't believe what they say, then so be it. Let it go, man.

 

Thats all you have a theory...

Reread what i wrote, If the owner of the car could post, he would and we would also get the TRUTH.

Fireman, Can i ask how you fit into this whole equation? How are you in the know or are you just taking what M7 says as gospel?

 

Which, unlike some, is all I said I had. That's my point. Do not make wild claims unless you have proof, not just speculation. Theories are fine, but make sure everyone knows they are theories, and not passed off as more than that.

I'm finished with this thread for now. I hope some of you have understood what I've said.

 

Just a hint but look at his screen name . Are you going for the " master of the obvious " award. I may be behind the times but when I've built or rebuilt motors I never took pictures. Why would someone want to do that ? On another front if you don't beleive someone when they say something why would you beleive the pictures ? They could be from anyones motor, rite ?

 

Is that not all that you have?
If you were there and witnessed exactly what happened and have some solid facts, please share it with the rest of the class.

You possibly have seen other MINI engines break or blow up due to one thing or another, that doesn't mean that the same exact scenario holds true for every engine failure.

 

No problem. I'm mostly an interested bystander, but I also own the last beta test car at DDM. Before you read too much into that, I'm not adding much of anything to the development beyond following it here and via the occasional phone call since I'm in Afghanistan working for the military.

And no, I don't accept everything at face value or as gospel. I just don't seem to carry the baggage into this that some do here (again IMO). Where & when possible, I've taken the time to contact the developers directly if I have questions. Some of what I've been told has not been my business to share, so I have not and will not. I believe that any early adopters have to go into a project like this with a measure of faith (educated faith hopefully) due to the very nature of the undertaking.

Frankly, I agree with some of what has been said here by those of you I see as detractors. And to be fair to Isellum, he has indeed been fair at times to M7 (IMO). I have no problem whatsoever for people to question what has been happening with the M62 cars. But if you don't get an answer from them, it doesn't automatically make them deceptive. I just think the largely baseless and mean-spirited accusations are uneeded in this discussion.

BTW, If you doubt the truthfulness of anything I've written here, feel free to hit me with a PM and I'll give you my direct dial number over here.

 

the reason why i asked is because you said you were 3k miles away and i was confused... maybe you are on vacation or traveling or something... thats the only reason why i said that.

 

Ok, I just got an email with a pic of the broken piston...

this is just speculation on my part, but it looks like
the heat may have swelled it up a little bit. The broken
skirt must be on the other side. I wonder if that penguin
had anything to do with it. He will be thoroughly questioned
as to what really happened inside the engine of the M7 car.
Stay tuned...

 

wow... that was quite rude... anyways... i asked the question because he said he was 3k miles away and it confused me. So i asked a question. Don't get so damn testy.

well when you tear down an engine and people are speculating that you lost the motor... i would take pictures to prove them wrong... its not like they built the motor and said they put forged pistons in and i am asking them to dismantle there motor, take a pic and put it back together... obviously the motor is already apart... it shouldn't be too difficult.

And yes they could be from anyones motor... but with this case i guess i would have to see that the skirt is damaged like they said it was... and when that just might give it some validity...

 

Is yours the black JCW..... very nice looking car.....

 

i'm cracking up. just got done skimming over this very serious thread, and then i saw that pic. hilarious, almost believed it for a second, penguin is a dead give a way.
i agree with what isellem and m3 are saying, if someone didnt come forward with the truth the first go around whats to say they arent hiding something else. (if that is what they are saying)

 

i have had several PMs from several differnt people saying that they hear that i am on the right and that the car has indeed lost 3 pistons. that the IATS were ridiculous... and the ringlands are cracked.

***** in your court guys...

M7 feel free to confirm or deny

 

thank you. at least someone can see that they aren't being 100% upfront or truthful or forthcoming or whatever is the friendliest way to say it.

just look at the circumstances of events... my hunch wasn't a blatent rumor mill starter...

 

provide us with the proof...

 

But that's what I don't understand about those two, it was neither of their cars that broke, so why obsess about it all day long? Even if M7 were withholding information, who cares? Just kick back and wait until it's up and running again.

 

Who cares? What difference does it make if it's one piston or three? Who cares?

Several different people who just hear that? That's some solid info you got there.

EDIT: Were any of your info providers there when it happened? Do they have any pics?

 

No comment? That's what I thought.

 

Yes. Thanks, Bob.

 

Whoa there, high speed. Take it easy. I am sure isellem will respond. We waited for M7 for three weeks. I am sure you can give the guy slightly less than. It being a Friday night and all that.

 

edit: Please show me pictures of the ringlands and I will stop hypothesizing.

 

lol... still no response from M7 confirming or denying. just someone who works for them not confirming or denying...thats great

 

thanks for giving me a whopping 30 minutes to respond

 

and what proof do you have? None... thats right! ohh yeah... at least i have some people who have actually seen the car and said that the motor is indeed blown... and if they are lieing what do they have to gain by PMing me that info? my friendship? an e-hug? I guess its just a giant conspiracy against M7...

Who cares? the point is about people telling the truth. Its about over promising, under delivering... always shooting up hype, almost never posting any results... but i guess thats not new around here... even Don from DMH said that dyno results are swayed and unreliable ways of measuring and comparing he preached and preached and preached this... BUT when he made a great number... he posted it... lol the hypocrasy.

 

I’ve been incommunicado for about a week, and I missed NAM quite a bit; until I saw this childish diatribe.

It’s pretty obvious to me that some around here have an agenda, a lack of common courtesy or most likely both.

We deal with vendors in all facets of our life, NAM being a small subset. I’ve made a conscious decision to not do business with some companies, and I have chosen to do so for my own, personal reasons. Others of course do the same; and on top of that, a few somehow feel compelled to share this personal decision publicly, even repeatedly.

Listen, if you don’t like how a company expresses itself, promotes its products, feel betrayed due to a lack of information, or whatever, then I would venture to guess you’ve made a decision to not do business with them. Spare us all the personal judgment in this public space.

On the topic of the DFIC, sure Alta showed their offering (a prototype) on NAM earlier; like this means something. But when M7 revealed the DFIC, it was a final production piece, and with that, was to market sooner. I suppose if Peter would have shown a prototype sooner, we wouldn’t have to hear such worthless comparisons as to who posted first on NAM. Instead, we would have heard crap of how M7 talks too prematurely about a product . Damned if you do, and damned if you don’t...

In a vendor, I look for products that I want, prices that I find reasonable, and support that I feel I deserve. I get that from M7. If I didn’t, I certainly wouldn’t feel the need to belabor them publicly; unless I had ulterior motives, or was wronged in some dealing and attempts at private communications were fruitless. I realize that some have favorites around here, and that is fine, but the negative campaigning is shameful.

If and when the M62 proves to be worthwhile, I have nothing more to say here...