It's true, I looked up the weights of the R53 and R56 as well.

I doubt anyone will be able to feel that weight difference.

The biggest improvement is the leap from R56 vs F56 (non-S)

 

When we start hearing things like MPG and weight?

Honestly the MPG is going to be one of my major considerations in between buying an F56 and a JCW Clubbie.

 

You can bet both power and mileage will go up in the F56 - this has been the history with every BMW and engine and new body style for a very long time.

Also, anyone buying old 2-nd gen MINI is primed to eat MASSIVE depreciation hit on a newly "old gen" car. My '08 MCS had been depreciating at the average rate of ~$2.5K / year (pretty good for a car!), but its value took a $3K hit just over this winter.

Just something to keep in mind if you are in love with the outgoing body style - buy used and save a ton, or BOHICA.

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Yep, all things to consider. Just want to see some #'s

 

This is true. I just bought a 2011 MCS with 29K miles on it. Mid-level on options, bought and serviced locally, clean Carfax. It appears it was moved through three Group One dealerships because it wasn't moving before I found it. I watched its price drop on Autotrader several times from $20,500 to $16K when I bought it. I'm guessing the MSRP was in the $27-28K range. Mannheim auction value the week I bought it was $15800. Great time to be an R56 buyer, not so much to be a seller.

PS: Another one I looked at was a 2012 MCS with only 7600 miles. It was originally listed at $24K and when I bought mine was down to $18900. It was like new, but I didn't think worth the extra $3K over what I bought.

 

Not my main, but if I wasn't concerned about MPG, I'd be driving a hemi

 

I am worried about MPG but I still drive a Hemi! But it doesn't stop me from wanting a Mini.

 

I thought specifics had already been posted. MINI have posted them on their new MINI page: http://miniusa.com/NewMINI Its under the pop up for "Engine Specs", though that's stopped popping up for me.

I scraped the data out of the source:


http://btwyx.com/Pictures/NewMINISpecs.pdf

 

I'm surprised that increasing the engine displacement by 25% (1600cc to 2000) only netted 4% more power (181 hp to 189). What's up with that, BMW? Leaving room for easy, cheap gains in the pricey JCW version? That would make for some nice easy money.

Someone tell me what I'm missing. Or mistaken about.

 

Bingo!

See BMW's N20 engine family that powers 320 (~185hp) and 328 (~245hp) cars: same 2.0L engine, different turbo tunes and power outputs.

You can guess where the first engine package goes (MCS).
You can also guess which car will get the second package (JCW).

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That's what I want to see in all production mini models!

 

BMW is tuning the engine for drivability (see the enormous torque coming in at 1250) and economy. They'll leave power for the JCW.

 

I guess. I would have expects them to push the S up over the magic "200" number for marketing purposes if nothing else.

On the bright side, this implies that when the aftermarket starts tuning, the engine should have plenty of headroom for affordable gains.

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A bigger engine doesn't always mean there is extra headroom for tuning. Weaker pistons and a smaller turbo can make "easy hp" impossible. Also, the MINI aftermarket has always been very small, and out tuning options are and always have been very limited compared to most other manufacturers.

Something for you to chew on while we wait to see how good the B38 engine is...


Ford Focus ST 2.0L turbo / 252hp
BMW 328i 2.0L turbo /240hp
Mk 7 GTI 2.0L turbo / 217hp
Caddilac ATS 2.0L turbo /270hp
Subaru WRX 2.0L turbo /265hp
F56 Mini Cooper S 2.0L turbo / 189hp

If you can read this list and not feel like you're getting ripped off, it's time to put down the kool-aid.

 

Any numbers for the auto transmission max. torque?

Maybe F56 Mini Cooper S 2.0L turbo is limited to 189hp for reliability?

 

This is the reason I'm gonna be looking at the STi, MK7, and 328i when I'm in the market in a year in a half or two. The JCW sounds pretty good though I must admit.

 

I suspect the new larger engine will be much more robust than past ones. Its output doesn't bother me, the car is lighter than most of its competitors, and there's plenty of headroom left for future factory upgrades.

 

This new MINI looks like a$$. Period. They have ruined this car. Glad I have my R53.

 

Glad to hear that others think the " NEW " Mini is not the beauty BMW thinks it is with the restyling.


I bet that small changes may take place to the front and rear once they see the sales numbers drop.

 

Unless you have engineering knowledge about this engine, it's impossible to say anything like that. BMW will likely use weaker pistons and slightly higher compression in the S version than the JCW. Judging by past experiences I'd say there won't be that much room for future factory upgrades without serious changes such as a new turbo etc.



The competition in the hot hatch market is getting stiff, and it would be too forgiving to say the mini will have "plenty of headroom" when you should have to mod a car to get it to be near the power level of its direct competitors in the first place.

 

I feel like this is said EVERYTIME anything is changed.

It looks amazing! I will def be upgrading mine.

 

"BMW will likely use weaker pistons...". Based on what information? Why would they use "weaker pistons"?

 

It's pretty funny that people seem to be making the 'plenty of room for tuning' argument. How could they possibly know this? I think it's a somewhat absurd thing to say without knowledge of the engine and ecu. Speaking of the ecu, you can bet they they have made it more difficult to crack into than ever. We're a long way away from knowing anything about tuning capabilities of this car!

 

The BMW platform will give options to MINI owners since it is a BMW engine, not a Prince engine. You can imagine tuning won't be as complicated like before with the N14 and N18 engines.

 

Sorry, but I can only imagine that tuning will be much more complicated with a new engine. BMW spends much time and effort trying to lock ecus.

But anyway, the engines tolerance to be tuned is simply unknown by anyone right now as it's a new engine.