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Old 02-12-2015 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by R99
The main benefits of the GruppeM (and probably the others on the market) is the ridiculous increase in the amount of induction noise, which can be heard in the video I posted. Alongside much better looks (not true of all the kits on the market) when compared to the stock system which is a big black plastic mess!
Thank you - now I get it! (I was stuck thinking this was only about engine performance).

Seems like one thing we can learn from this is the F56s engine performance is pretty much independent from whatever air induction system is used. At least from this one data point.
 
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Old 02-12-2015 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by dcummer
Thank you - now I get it! (I was stuck thinking this was only about engine performance).

Seems like one thing we can learn from this is the F56s engine performance is pretty much independent from whatever air induction system is used. At least from this one data point.
Not true.

Evolve make their own 'Eventuri' carbon intake pods and WITHOUT a cold air feed solution, just their pod made more than a 2bhp gain over stock....

They will be adding a cold air feed which will only increase things further
 
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Old 02-12-2015 | 07:32 AM
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First off, nice project: you're building a nice looking car!

The days of aftermarket intakes (and exhausts, for that matter) making more power are over. In the quest for greatest fuel efficiency, automotive manufacturers are leaving no stone un-turned. They must get maximum power from small, high-flow engines and are sure to eliminate flow restrictions on either side of the motor. As we learn more about these motors, it may turn out that tuned motors with higher boost will benefit from a high-flow intake, but I'd be skeptical. Another comment about intakes that are open in the engine bay: There's a lot of heat produced under your bonnet. If you have an open intake filter (like the one above) in the engine bay, it's going to suck that heat into the motor, at least at lower speeds. Finally, testing intakes on the dyno is very difficult: to create real road conditions, you would need a dyno with a wind tunnel. On our dyno, we try to re-create road conditions as closely as possible, but I always give the caveat that the dyno numbers are not a true representation of what's happening on the road.

It looks like the OP has the right approach to this part of his build: he likes the sound, and isn't bothered so much by a couple of HP up or down.
 
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Old 02-12-2015 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by R99
Not true.

Evolve make their own 'Eventuri' carbon intake pods and come up with a car specific soloution to get a cold air feed to them.

WITHOUT a cold air feed solution, just their pod made more than a 2bhp gain over stock....
Hmm - interesting. But 2hp is a 1% variation, for me that is still "pretty much independent".

Perhaps other manufacturers will have more success.

Thank you for going to the significant effort of getting a dyno comparison, and for posting it. As a kid I made all kinds of changes to cars and motorcycles I had, always thinking I was improving their performance. In retrospect I'm sure they were worse after I was done.
 
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Old 02-12-2015 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Helix13mini
First off, nice project: you're building a nice looking car!

The days of aftermarket intakes (and exhausts, for that matter) making more power are over. In the quest for greatest fuel efficiency, automotive manufacturers are leaving no stone un-turned. They must get maximum power from small, high-flow engines and are sure to eliminate flow restrictions on either side of the motor. As we learn more about these motors, it may turn out that tuned motors with higher boost will benefit from a high-flow intake, but I'd be skeptical. Another comment about intakes that are open in the engine bay: There's a lot of heat produced under your bonnet. If you have an open intake filter (like the one above) in the engine bay, it's going to suck that heat into the motor, at least at lower speeds. Finally, testing intakes on the dyno is very difficult: to create real road conditions, you would need a dyno with a wind tunnel. On our dyno, we try to re-create road conditions as closely as possible, but I always give the caveat that the dyno numbers are not a true representation of what's happening on the road.

It looks like the OP has the right approach to this part of his build: he likes the sound, and isn't bothered so much by a couple of HP up or down.

So, adding a intake can possibly give lower mpg over stock intake?
Due to higher heat temperature intake?
 
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Old 02-12-2015 | 08:05 AM
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Well, I'm jealous of that glorious sound. Can you hear it in the cockpit pretty well?
 
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Old 02-12-2015 | 08:13 AM
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So, adding a intake can possibly give lower mpg over stock intake?
Due to higher heat temperature intake?
It certainly could, but you have to take circumstances into account. Let's say you are at an autocross in the middle of the summer. You stage your car and are waiting 20-30 seconds the get your start signal. During that time, heat is building up in the engine bay with little or no air movement/exchange. When you launch, the first several seconds of air that your engine is gulping is that super heated air, meaning it's less dense, thus less oxygen, thus less power. If you had had the stock intake which completely separates the engine bay from ambient air, that would not have happened.

In other situations, the high-flow nature of the intake may improve power, but as I said in my last post, that would be very difficult to prove on a dyno.
 
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Old 02-12-2015 | 08:31 AM
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Oh i understand now.
So that ARMA intake would be more beneficial lol
Due to them using the stock air box kind of design.... but then it would defeat the high flow purpose....
 
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Old 02-12-2015 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by VicSkimmr
Well, I'm jealous of that glorious sound. Can you hear it in the cockpit pretty well?
Yes, really loud from the cabin too

Obviously not as loud as that video but you get an awesome chirp from the turbo now
 
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Old 02-17-2015 | 12:51 PM
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Couple of videos from the dyno - sadly they don't do the noise justice from the Remus, it sounded epic on full chat!!!



 
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Old 03-05-2015 | 12:54 PM
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Had a delivery from Italy today......

​F56 JCW brakes.



with a coke can to give an idea of how big these things are!

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Also I've sent off my steering wheel to LG Triming to be redone in alcantara and leather with red accents (stitching & 12 o'clock band) and I will be getting my engine cover and steering wheel trims layered with real carbon by Carbonworx too to lift the engine bay and complement the steering wheel.

Cant wait!
 
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Old 03-05-2015 | 01:12 PM
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So man, where u got those brakes?
 
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Old 03-05-2015 | 01:38 PM
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I saw some on eBay the other day I think.
 
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Old 03-05-2015 | 03:54 PM
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Yeh they are from a guy selling on eBay - I got the 1st set and I think he is hoping to get more.

£380 delivered - total bargain!
 
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Old 03-05-2015 | 04:03 PM
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R99 pm'ed you regards to this.
 
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Old 03-05-2015 | 04:18 PM
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Replied with info.
 
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Old 03-06-2015 | 02:25 PM
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OK, well the brake saga continues. MINI don't have an ETA on when you will be able to buy discs and pads for these calipers, and the callipers themselves are not available from them either - even though they all have part numbers and prices???

This evening while trolling German eBay I stumbled across a full front and rear set up complete with the required discs / pads / sensors / lines.... I immediately impulse purchased (as you do!) as they were a bargain. The MINI retail for this lot is £1.3k.

So the good news is that I will now have these on the car much sooner than I originally thought and perhaps even the 1st customer car in the world to actually sport these things.

The discs look rather odd, but the eBay add stated 'undamaged, normal signs of use' so I am hoping the weird looking discs is just either a storage factor, or that they need a good couple of hard stops to sweep the crap off them??

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My other callipers (just the housings, no discs or pads) will be up for sale if anyone is interested - as I will be selling them for £400 delivered.
 
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Old 03-06-2015 | 02:36 PM
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I'm not sure, but these look used to me. The calipers that is.
 
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Old 03-06-2015 | 03:04 PM
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Yeh they are used and have done 11k Kilometers.
 
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Old 03-06-2015 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by R99
Yeh they are used and have done 11k Kilometers.
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So the good news is that I will now have these on the car much sooner than I originally thought and perhaps even the 1st customer car in the world to actually sport these things.
Sorry I was confused, I thought you were getting new ones
 
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Old 03-06-2015 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Grizld700
Sorry I was confused, I thought you were getting new ones
You can't buy the calipers or discs / pads from MINI.

These are obviously from a test car, hence the 7k miles on them.

The other bare calipers I have are brand new - again not from MINI but from a contact in Italy who has a relationship with Brembo.

No customers have these In a capacity to be fitted to a car - I'll be the first.
 
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Old 03-11-2015 | 02:07 PM
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Bit of an update.... this time magazine related!

The car will be featuring in the next issue of Modern MINI magazine, out on sale this Friday.



Really happy with the write up, but as is always the case I've done a few extra mods since the shoot...

In other news, the brakes are going on the car a week today! Cant wait!
 
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Old 03-12-2015 | 05:47 PM
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Received my full JCW brake kit from Germany today!

They arrived covered in brake fluid so I've spent the evening cleaning them up - really chuffed with the condition of these, they are like new now they've had a clean.

Fingers crossed I will be fitting them on Wednesday along with some HEL braided lines.

Once on, this will be the 1st F56 out there sporting these, as you cant buy these from MINI yet.









I could do with some opinions though about these discs - as you can see there are raised grooves which can be slightly felt when running a finger over the disc face. I'm not sure if they have been skimmed (badly) or if they need to be skimmed before fitting?

 
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Old 03-12-2015 | 07:24 PM
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Don't look bad to me. My oem disks are like that. Dealer said "normal" lol. Funny, my other cars disks aren't like that! Hmm.
 
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Old 03-13-2015 | 06:17 AM
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I would just run them the way they are first. Then resurface if needed later. You don't want to take material off the rotor unless you really need to. That way you have more material to help battle hot brakes.
 


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