MINI doing 100 kills a family of 4
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What a bunch of Azz Goblins, Both the Kid for murdering the Family and the News company for their headlines.
Stuff like this happens everyday in America and it aggitates me how they put forth the EXTRA effort to name a MINI in the accident headlines. As if to demonize the car or something. Very seldom are exact makes lablled in the news...Especially in the HEADLINE. You never see headlines like, "Driver of Fullsized Tahoe kills/ injures 8."
Well I hope they dont try to illegalize Mini Coopers now that people in larger cars realize they are as safe as they thought.
God rest the innocents souls, Such a terrible thing when innocent people get mixed up in this.
Stuff like this happens everyday in America and it aggitates me how they put forth the EXTRA effort to name a MINI in the accident headlines. As if to demonize the car or something. Very seldom are exact makes lablled in the news...Especially in the HEADLINE. You never see headlines like, "Driver of Fullsized Tahoe kills/ injures 8."
Well I hope they dont try to illegalize Mini Coopers now that people in larger cars realize they are as safe as they thought.
God rest the innocents souls, Such a terrible thing when innocent people get mixed up in this.
But I also wonder... Is there more of a problem with younger drivers pushing the limits of MINIs in California? I don't see that many 19 year olds in MINIs here...
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Dang, this guy was an idiot. Regards to family killed. At least he won't burden our state with court costs, cause he is dead. Looked, like an R56 MCS, not sure if that is the right car for a 19 year old so parents take note. I know there is exceptions, or well trained 19 year old drivers, but 99.99 are not, Period. Get them a slow **** bucket to drive, please.
I said it on MU and i'll say it here. The car wasn't part of the issue, the driver was. An issue with parenting and discipline in my opinion. Still sad either way.
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#28
Just because he was an idiot, why does it make him spoiled automatically? Yes, he made a very bad decision and he paid for it.
What if the kid worked his *** of and bought the car? Am I spoiled because I bought myself a Vette when I was 16 and a brand new MINI for my 17th birthday?
NAM these days, I swear to god.
What if the kid worked his *** of and bought the car? Am I spoiled because I bought myself a Vette when I was 16 and a brand new MINI for my 17th birthday?
NAM these days, I swear to god.
#29
Horribly sad. Kids will always be kids and every once in a while they get really unlucky and stupid at the same time. It's hard to really ingrain risk aversion when their brain is not ready. I drove a slow car (minivan) quite fast when I was 16. I proved it was better to be lucky than good. I was raised with strong moral values and regard for others I felt, but sometimes I lapsed as a teenager. The best parenting can't prevent this IMHO. I still can't believe they allow us to drive when we're 16 and even younger, especially since car accidents are the leading cause of death for teens. For the good of society vs our selfish indulgences, no reason any of us really should be driving over the speed limit in our overjuiced cars on the streets. Just like why kitchen knives shouldn't be pointed. We only need to cut, not stab. When cars are more automated with speed limiters and avoidance mechanisms, maybe things will get better. I know I could use a "nanny" every once and a while.
#30
It's not about a Mini
The accident was tragic for all those involved, especially for the family being at the wrong place and time.
I find it odd the comments about the Mini being highlighted. Any notable car would be mentioned and IMO it is not in any way the main or even secondary story. Second, I agree with the comments regarding the poor judgement of the 19 yo. It's not about being entitled or what someone earned. It's about having the judgement and maturity to drive responsibly. The fact is younger drivers are in more accidents than their older brethren. I certainly wouldn't encourage a younger driver having any car with sporty pretensions. I think it is fair to say we have all read posts on these forums where we question or cringe at the actions or judgement written in some posts.
I find it odd the comments about the Mini being highlighted. Any notable car would be mentioned and IMO it is not in any way the main or even secondary story. Second, I agree with the comments regarding the poor judgement of the 19 yo. It's not about being entitled or what someone earned. It's about having the judgement and maturity to drive responsibly. The fact is younger drivers are in more accidents than their older brethren. I certainly wouldn't encourage a younger driver having any car with sporty pretensions. I think it is fair to say we have all read posts on these forums where we question or cringe at the actions or judgement written in some posts.
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http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...p-lexus-crash/
It's so sad..
but shouldn't there be more alternatives than calling 911? Modern cars and their electronics these days.. just means more opportunities to malfunction
It's so sad..
but shouldn't there be more alternatives than calling 911? Modern cars and their electronics these days.. just means more opportunities to malfunction
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The kid had a prior DUI:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAUB1ASM2U.DTL
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...bay&id=7146224
It also says he had track/racing experience. Usually that makes you a better driver. Hmm....from reading the articles, it sounds like he may have figured he could barely beat the light turning red? I don't know.
I've been on this road several times going to Infineon Raceway. There are no warnings about lights ahead of the intersection & people are going 65-75 mph & when you see the red light, you gotta make a hard stop.
here is google street maps view:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...8,0.03871&z=15
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAUB1ASM2U.DTL
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...bay&id=7146224
It also says he had track/racing experience. Usually that makes you a better driver. Hmm....from reading the articles, it sounds like he may have figured he could barely beat the light turning red? I don't know.
I've been on this road several times going to Infineon Raceway. There are no warnings about lights ahead of the intersection & people are going 65-75 mph & when you see the red light, you gotta make a hard stop.
from sfgate.com:
The intersection of Highway 37 and Lakeville Highway, where drivers are forced to go from highway speeds to a stop, has been the site of 27 other crashes since 2007, the CHP said. The majority of them involved fender-benders or other mishaps in which no one was hurt, authorities said.
The intersection of Highway 37 and Lakeville Highway, where drivers are forced to go from highway speeds to a stop, has been the site of 27 other crashes since 2007, the CHP said. The majority of them involved fender-benders or other mishaps in which no one was hurt, authorities said.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...8,0.03871&z=15
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Blame the car----Not the driver ""DUH !!!""""
I think the media thinks it was the car and not the stupid kid that caused the accident.(if you can call it that) That kid would have done the same stupid thing if he was driving any car. I think every car out there will do 100mph. He was just plain stupid and now a family is dead as well as himself. He was just plain stupid and that is all there is to it.
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#35
Just a couple of things:
I agree with Matty125. The make of the car is not the point, but it does seem to be the focus of the article. But the headline could've just as easily been: "Family of 4 dies when their Nissan Quest is destroyed." A horrible thing happened. No need to try to make MINI look responsible.
I agree with Matty125. The make of the car is not the point, but it does seem to be the focus of the article. But the headline could've just as easily been: "Family of 4 dies when their Nissan Quest is destroyed." A horrible thing happened. No need to try to make MINI look responsible.
And, as Albiecrazy mentioned, the MINI Cooper is an iconic (and still somewhat novel) car. Plus many people think of the Cooper mainly as a small car... the car's size in contrast to the damage done to the minivan underscores how fast the MINI must have been going.
I don't think anyone is trying to make the MINI look responsible.
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You make it sound like the kid was driving a Ferrari. Its just a MINI, a regular car. Any crazy teenager with a Corolla can reach speeds of 100mph and kill someone.
I said it on MU and i'll say it here. The car wasn't part of the issue, the driver was. An issue with parenting and discipline in my opinion. Still sad either way.
I said it on MU and i'll say it here. The car wasn't part of the issue, the driver was. An issue with parenting and discipline in my opinion. Still sad either way.
Just because he was an idiot, why does it make him spoiled automatically? Yes, he made a very bad decision and he paid for it.
What if the kid worked his *** of and bought the car? Am I spoiled because I bought myself a Vette when I was 16 and a brand new MINI for my 17th birthday?
NAM these days, I swear to god.
What if the kid worked his *** of and bought the car? Am I spoiled because I bought myself a Vette when I was 16 and a brand new MINI for my 17th birthday?
NAM these days, I swear to god.
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#37
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAUB1ASM2U.DTL
I've been on this road several times going to Infineon Raceway. There are no warnings about lights ahead of the intersection & people are going 65-75 mph & when you see the red light, you gotta make a hard stop.
I've been on this road several times going to Infineon Raceway. There are no warnings about lights ahead of the intersection & people are going 65-75 mph & when you see the red light, you gotta make a hard stop.
#38
Kind of difficult to blame the red light if you read the story:
Sorry, easy to pass judgment that the kid was speeding and driving recklessly.
The crash began when the MINI Cooper was speeding south on Lakeville Highway and clipped the back of a 2004 Honda CR-V going the same direction, according to the CHP.
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Unbelievable....
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_139021...ce=most_viewed
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_139021...ce=most_viewed
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To add insult to injury (or death)
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAOG1ATQCT.DTL
"A Redwood City man and his girlfriend were arrested Tuesday night in connection with the burglary of a Sonoma home belonging to a family of four who died in a weekend crash, authorities said today.
San Mateo County sheriff's deputies arrested Amber Marie True, 29, after pulling her over for a routine traffic stop off Skyline Boulevard at 9:40 p.m. and finding that she had a credit card belonging to Susan Maloney, 42, authorities said.
Maloney, her husband, Johnathan, 45, and two children died Saturday night in a crash on Highway 37 in Sonoma County. Their house was ransacked early Tuesday by someone who authorities believe knew they were dead.
Deputies found other items in True's car that came from the Maloney family's home on Fryer Creek Drive, said Sonoma Police Chief Bret Sackett.
Shortly after True was arrested, detectives tracked down her boyfriend, Michael Vincent Gutierrez, 26, who was found driving the Maloney family's 2006 Nissan 350Z, authorities said. It was not immediately clear where he was arrested.
Investigators served a search warrant at Gutierrez's home and found jewelry, electronics, financial records and other items that had been stolen from the Maloneys' home, Sackett said.
Police believe most, if not all, of the items taken from the home have been recovered, the chief said.
True and Gutierrez were each arrested on suspicion of burglary and vehicle theft. They are being held at Sonoma County Jail in lieu of $500,000 bail.
Gutierrez has two prior convictions in San Mateo County for felony grand theft, records show. In 2007, he was convicted of felony evading police, which led to a three-year state prison sentence.
He has a pending case in which he was arrested for being a felon in possession of a firearm, possession of stolen property and possession of methamphetamine.
True has a case pending in San Mateo County for alleged possession of drugs.
The Maloneys and their children, Aiden, 8, and Gracie, 5, died Saturday night on Highway 37 in Sonoma County when they were broadsided by a Mini Cooper driven by 19-year-old Steven Culbertson of Lakeport (Lake County). Culbertson died a day later.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAOG1ATQCT.DTL
"A Redwood City man and his girlfriend were arrested Tuesday night in connection with the burglary of a Sonoma home belonging to a family of four who died in a weekend crash, authorities said today.
San Mateo County sheriff's deputies arrested Amber Marie True, 29, after pulling her over for a routine traffic stop off Skyline Boulevard at 9:40 p.m. and finding that she had a credit card belonging to Susan Maloney, 42, authorities said.
Maloney, her husband, Johnathan, 45, and two children died Saturday night in a crash on Highway 37 in Sonoma County. Their house was ransacked early Tuesday by someone who authorities believe knew they were dead.
Deputies found other items in True's car that came from the Maloney family's home on Fryer Creek Drive, said Sonoma Police Chief Bret Sackett.
Shortly after True was arrested, detectives tracked down her boyfriend, Michael Vincent Gutierrez, 26, who was found driving the Maloney family's 2006 Nissan 350Z, authorities said. It was not immediately clear where he was arrested.
Investigators served a search warrant at Gutierrez's home and found jewelry, electronics, financial records and other items that had been stolen from the Maloneys' home, Sackett said.
Police believe most, if not all, of the items taken from the home have been recovered, the chief said.
True and Gutierrez were each arrested on suspicion of burglary and vehicle theft. They are being held at Sonoma County Jail in lieu of $500,000 bail.
Gutierrez has two prior convictions in San Mateo County for felony grand theft, records show. In 2007, he was convicted of felony evading police, which led to a three-year state prison sentence.
He has a pending case in which he was arrested for being a felon in possession of a firearm, possession of stolen property and possession of methamphetamine.
True has a case pending in San Mateo County for alleged possession of drugs.
The Maloneys and their children, Aiden, 8, and Gracie, 5, died Saturday night on Highway 37 in Sonoma County when they were broadsided by a Mini Cooper driven by 19-year-old Steven Culbertson of Lakeport (Lake County). Culbertson died a day later.
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Just my .02. The article quoted a witness at the bar/restaurant noticed the 19 drink at the bar from a mixed drink type glass. It is not uncommon to be served a regular soft drink in a Tom Collins/7&7 type glass at the bar. We have sports bars around here that will allow a minor in the room, but will not serve him alcohol. This, perhaps, may be the case. I dunno.
I grieve for the family. Wrong place, wrong time.
I wish the 19 year old had lived.
A drunk driver killed our first child. I have no mercy in my soul for a drunk behind the wheel.
I grieve for the family. Wrong place, wrong time.
I wish the 19 year old had lived.
A drunk driver killed our first child. I have no mercy in my soul for a drunk behind the wheel.
#47
Drinking/Driving are only small factors in what occured, speed is nobody's friend when a car is out of control. I think it was a situation of Panic...and we've read that he had just side-swiped another car, speeding to get away from that accident...he was panicked, the car/driver were Out of Control...Add Speed to that and it gets Deadly...Sad but True!!
I agree with AAA I wish he had lived, then he'd learn to suffer like the family of the family who was killed must be suffering.
Because he was an Adult I fault no one except for him. Yeah, you can call "Parent Fault" all you want, but the truth is he was an Adult, not some 16 Year Old who was joy riding in Mom or Dad's MINI...it belonged to him, how ever he came to own it is not what the real issue is.
He was STUPID plain and simple!!
I agree with AAA I wish he had lived, then he'd learn to suffer like the family of the family who was killed must be suffering.
Because he was an Adult I fault no one except for him. Yeah, you can call "Parent Fault" all you want, but the truth is he was an Adult, not some 16 Year Old who was joy riding in Mom or Dad's MINI...it belonged to him, how ever he came to own it is not what the real issue is.
He was STUPID plain and simple!!
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Teen Convicted Drunk Driver
The kid had a prior DUI:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAUB1ASM2U.DTL
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...bay&id=7146224
It also says he had track/racing experience. Usually that makes you a better driver. Hmm....from reading the articles, it sounds like he may have figured he could barely beat the light turning red? I don't know.
I've been on this road several times going to Infineon Raceway. There are no warnings about lights ahead of the intersection & people are going 65-75 mph & when you see the red light, you gotta make a hard stop.
here is google street maps view:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...8,0.03871&z=15
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAUB1ASM2U.DTL
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...bay&id=7146224
It also says he had track/racing experience. Usually that makes you a better driver. Hmm....from reading the articles, it sounds like he may have figured he could barely beat the light turning red? I don't know.
I've been on this road several times going to Infineon Raceway. There are no warnings about lights ahead of the intersection & people are going 65-75 mph & when you see the red light, you gotta make a hard stop.
here is google street maps view:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...8,0.03871&z=15