Supercharger Pulley Selection
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It's, IMHO, the "best" sized pulley, especially if you ever hit the track.
You won't get any more power with a further reduction--i.e. 17%, but you'll max out the SC earlier, meaning you'll get your power earlier at a sacrifice of heat (you'll be spinning the SC above where it's making power as you go up high in to the RPM band, not creating any more torque/HP, but generating quite a bit more heat.
Although 17% is fine for a daily driver. It's just that going from 15% to 17% isn't earth shattering; 15% still maxes out the SC a little early (The JCW pulley, which is about 12%, was designed to max out the SC near redline, as a comparison), but, like I said, from a wear and tear/performance perspective it's my favorite.
You won't get any more power with a further reduction--i.e. 17%, but you'll max out the SC earlier, meaning you'll get your power earlier at a sacrifice of heat (you'll be spinning the SC above where it's making power as you go up high in to the RPM band, not creating any more torque/HP, but generating quite a bit more heat.
Although 17% is fine for a daily driver. It's just that going from 15% to 17% isn't earth shattering; 15% still maxes out the SC a little early (The JCW pulley, which is about 12%, was designed to max out the SC near redline, as a comparison), but, like I said, from a wear and tear/performance perspective it's my favorite.
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The pulley gives you your boost ....the power you feel...and the whine...at a lower....and for most folks...more usable driving rpm. Think it is as moving the peak tq/HP to a more street friendly range ....making the car more fun. You DO gain some peak hp/tq on a dyno....but driving feel in town ....the extra zip is the biggest plus.
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You won't get any more power with a further reduction--i.e. 17%, but you'll max out the SC earlier, meaning you'll get your power earlier at a sacrifice of heat (you'll be spinning the SC above where it's making power as you go up high in to the RPM band, not creating any more torque/HP, but generating quite a bit more heat.
cct1: Your advice here is probably good, but there is a prevailing "truth" on the internet about the 17 and 19% pulleys 'not making power' in the high rev range. This is what I call an internet truth: logically it makes sense, but in practice it's not correct. Actually, the 17 and 19% pulleys make more power at stock red line.
That having been said, there's more to it and you need to examine how you are using the car before choosing a pulley. I won't go into it now, but there's a very good story about how the various sizes of pulleys were established...
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We tested the 15% vs 17%, same car, same day on our Mustang MD 250 Dynamometer. The 17% produced 6whp more than the 15%. The area under the torque curve was better with a slightly greater drop-off near red line. IATs were higher at red line by 5-7 degrees.
cct1: Your advice here is probably good, but there is a prevailing "truth" on the internet about the 17 and 19% pulleys 'not making power' in the high rev range. This is what I call an internet truth: logically it makes sense, but in practice it's not correct. Actually, the 17 and 19% pulleys make more power at stock red line.
That having been said, there's more to it and you need to examine how you are using the car before choosing a pulley. I won't go into it now, but there's a very good story about how the various sizes of pulleys were established...
cct1: Your advice here is probably good, but there is a prevailing "truth" on the internet about the 17 and 19% pulleys 'not making power' in the high rev range. This is what I call an internet truth: logically it makes sense, but in practice it's not correct. Actually, the 17 and 19% pulleys make more power at stock red line.
That having been said, there's more to it and you need to examine how you are using the car before choosing a pulley. I won't go into it now, but there's a very good story about how the various sizes of pulleys were established...
I have the "Grand-Am" cam, and BVH, and spend more time up high than down low. 15%, from what I've read/been advised made the most sense for what I was doing, and the consensus from what I've read is it pretty much leaves all your options open. I've always been convinced the 15% was the "sweet spot" with regards to practicality, but that's the first I've seen anyone write about there being slightly more power with further reduction (and coming from you, I don't question it, you're one of the few on the boards who is unconditionally trustworthy.).
I've also read that wear and tear on the supercharger increases after 16%; that below 16% it's pretty much like stock wear and tear, but above that, it's noticeable on SC wear--any truth to that?
Last edited by cct1; 06-25-2013 at 01:12 PM.
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Good to know--I was taking for granted my car, where the rev limit is set significantly higher than stock. I know you've dyno'd a bazillion MINI's--have you dyno'd the different sized pulleys say up to 7500 RPM's? Be interested to know what happens between 6500-7000, and 7000-7500, both with HP/torque and IAT's (water/meth is in my future).
That sounds like marketing talk. To my knowledge there have been no controlled tests comparing wear of various pulleys. It would be a difficult and expensive test.
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Not to jack this thread.....but Helix, how much more boost would a 15% or 17% pulley make over my stock JCW pulley on my 03' JCW MCS? I think the JCW pulley is around 14% right? Would it even be worth the trouble to change the pulley on a daily driver?
I'm making around 12-13psi boost with the stock jcw pulley depending on the ambient temp.
I'm making around 12-13psi boost with the stock jcw pulley depending on the ambient temp.
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Not to jack this thread.....but Helix, how much more boost would a 15% or 17% pulley make over my stock JCW pulley on my 03' JCW MCS? I think the JCW pulley is around 14% right? Would it even be worth the trouble to change the pulley on a daily driver?
I'm making around 12-13psi boost with the stock jcw pulley depending on the ambient temp.
I'm making around 12-13psi boost with the stock jcw pulley depending on the ambient temp.
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