Interior/Exterior Interior and exterior modifications for Cooper (R50), Cabrio (R52), and Cooper S (R53) MINIs.

Interior/Exterior Matching factory gauges

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #376  
Old 10-06-2009, 09:53 AM
rjb's Avatar
rjb
rjb is offline
3rd Gear
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Eastern Panhandle, WV
Posts: 183
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Gil-galad
My install is underway, but I'm waiting to hear a response to rjb's lighting question prior to wiring everything up. If the instrument lighting supply doesn't adequately support the gauge lighting, I'd rather have an independent rheostat rather than have no adjustment at all.
I'm thinking the same thing...I drove it for the first time at night last night and the dimmer had to be almost all they way bright (I'd say at least 80-90% bright) before the stepper motor lights would illuminate, which is way to bright for my tastes. BTW the boost gauge operated as I would suspect dimming and brightening with the other interior lighting. I'm thinking maybe that I will need to tap the stepper motor gauges off of the parking light hot wire and use the Marshall rheostat to dim the lighting on these 2 gauges , although this is not the configuration I'd prefer...

I'm hoping someone has a better solution
 
  #377  
Old 10-06-2009, 10:17 AM
AKIndiMini's Avatar
AKIndiMini
AKIndiMini is offline
OVERDRIVE
iTrader: (2)
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Kodiak, AK
Posts: 8,011
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
If there isn't a better solution, I might just put my stepper gauge in my boat (it can definitely stand to be a bit crude), and buy the conventional oil pressure gauge for the MINI.
 
  #378  
Old 10-06-2009, 11:37 AM
SRTech's Avatar
SRTech
SRTech is offline
Former Vendor
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Oakhurst/Fresno, CA
Posts: 3,480
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by rjb
I'm thinking the same thing...I drove it for the first time at night last night and the dimmer had to be almost all they way bright (I'd say at least 80-90% bright) before the stepper motor lights would illuminate, which is way to bright for my tastes. BTW the boost gauge operated as I would suspect dimming and brightening with the other interior lighting. I'm thinking maybe that I will need to tap the stepper motor gauges off of the parking light hot wire and use the Marshall rheostat to dim the lighting on these 2 gauges , although this is not the configuration I'd prefer...

I'm hoping someone has a better solution
Has anyone contacted Marshall yet? I'm going to call in a little while to get some info about this.

Steve
 
  #379  
Old 10-06-2009, 11:54 AM
rjb's Avatar
rjb
rjb is offline
3rd Gear
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Eastern Panhandle, WV
Posts: 183
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by SRTech
Has anyone contacted Marshall yet? I'm going to call in a little while to get some info about this.

Steve
No, I haven't yet. I was going to, but thought maybe you would . I was the one you chatted with on Saturday Morning. If Marshall needs more info feel free to PM me and I will call them or give you my number to have them call me.
 
  #380  
Old 10-06-2009, 12:46 PM
SRTech's Avatar
SRTech
SRTech is offline
Former Vendor
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Oakhurst/Fresno, CA
Posts: 3,480
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by rjb
No, I haven't yet. I was going to, but thought maybe you would . I was the one you chatted with on Saturday Morning. If Marshall needs more info feel free to PM me and I will call them or give you my number to have them call me.
Paul is going to post a reply to clarify this subject so I don't have to translate my conversation with him. Thanks.

Steve
 
  #381  
Old 10-06-2009, 01:29 PM
marshallinstruments's Avatar
marshallinstruments
marshallinstruments is offline
Neutral
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Lighting

I am guessing the MINI dimmer works by frequency modulation which is not compatible with most aftermarket LED lit gauges. This issue is not unique to Marshall LED lit gauges. Manufacturers sell separate dimming modules for this very reason. We also sell a dimmer module designed to work with our gauges (see below).

The reason your lighting does not come on until the OEM dimmer is high is most likely because it uses frequency modulation, essentially dropping the voltage of the lighting wire connection below the require voltage to activate the lighting circuit (~7V). Anything less than ~7V and the lighting will be "OFF", above ~7V and the lighting is "ON".

To solve this issue, do not connect the light wire to the dimmer output. Connect the light wire to a source that is before the dimmer output (i.e. one that is 12V when lights are ON and 0V when lights are OFF).

Dimming the Gauges
---
The Marshall stepper motor gauges can be dimmed by adjusting the ACC voltage supply (**not the lighting wire voltage**) between 7 and 10V.

We sell a nice compact dimmer module to dim our LED stepper motor gauges. One dimmer can be used on multiple gauges. You just set it and leave it or remote mount for dimming control.

I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any questions.
 
  #382  
Old 10-06-2009, 05:26 PM
SRTech's Avatar
SRTech
SRTech is offline
Former Vendor
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Oakhurst/Fresno, CA
Posts: 3,480
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I'll have the dimmer for $25 for anyone who wants one. Shipping via the P.O. shouldn't be more than a couple dollars.

Steve
 
  #383  
Old 10-06-2009, 06:56 PM
JIMINNI's Avatar
JIMINNI
JIMINNI is offline
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Fresno Ca.
Posts: 4,862
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by SRTech
I'll have the dimmer for $25 for anyone who wants one. Shipping via the P.O. shouldn't be more than a couple dollars.

Steve
Put me down for one.
 
  #384  
Old 10-06-2009, 07:58 PM
craigsmiller's Avatar
craigsmiller
craigsmiller is offline
1st Gear
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Marshall Dimmer Module

Steve:

Please send me a dimmer module (or an invoice I can respond to via PayPal). Thanks, Craig (craig.miller@ch2m.com)
 
  #385  
Old 10-06-2009, 08:16 PM
Gil-galad's Avatar
Gil-galad
Gil-galad is offline
Coordinator :: Eastern Iowa MINIs
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Decorah, IA
Posts: 5,520
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Steve, me too. (PM sent)
 
  #386  
Old 10-07-2009, 04:34 AM
MyroMini's Avatar
MyroMini
MyroMini is offline
4th Gear
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 399
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by rjb
I'm thinking the same thing...I drove it for the first time at night last night and the dimmer had to be almost all they way bright (I'd say at least 80-90% bright) before the stepper motor lights would illuminate, which is way to bright for my tastes. BTW the boost gauge operated as I would suspect dimming and brightening with the other interior lighting. I'm thinking maybe that I will need to tap the stepper motor gauges off of the parking light hot wire and use the Marshall rheostat to dim the lighting on these 2 gauges , although this is not the configuration I'd prefer...

I'm hoping someone has a better solution
Does it mean that the dimmer "problem" is only with the stepper gauges? The other ones work OK, without an additional dimmer?
 
  #387  
Old 10-07-2009, 06:56 AM
rjb's Avatar
rjb
rjb is offline
3rd Gear
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Eastern Panhandle, WV
Posts: 183
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by MyroMini
Does it mean that the dimmer "problem" is only with the stepper gauges? The other ones work OK, without an additional dimmer?
The mechanical Boost gauge works OK with the factory dimmer (not LED?), can't speak for the other non stepper motor gauges...
 
  #388  
Old 10-07-2009, 07:00 AM
Tron Chief's Avatar
Tron Chief
Tron Chief is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Lemoore, CA
Posts: 1,872
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Both gauges have advantages and look great. Let me know what you end up using for a power tap for the lights on the stepper gauges as you go forward with the dimmer switch install.
 
  #389  
Old 10-07-2009, 09:59 AM
tcowden's Avatar
tcowden
tcowden is offline
2nd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 84
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by rjb
Mounted them around the tach using the Cravenspeed "A bracket" and pods...Here is a couple of pictures...
Just a note of warning on using the Craven Dual Pods with two Marshall gauges -

When you add the chrome or black trim rings on the Marshall gauges, you can no longer fit two gauges into the Craven Dual Pods. The increased diameter makes them too large to fit together in the same Dual Pod.

As you can see in rjb's photo without the trim rings, the fit is already very close. With the trim rings, there's just not enough space between the two holes to accommodate them. You might be able to cut away some of the trim ring to get them to fit, but it would be tricky.

Also, removing the trim rings can (and will likely) scratch the silver paint used on the bezels (ask me how I know ).

Tom
 
  #390  
Old 10-07-2009, 12:34 PM
ECHO-313's Avatar
ECHO-313
ECHO-313 is offline
3rd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I'm looking to get.

Vac/Boost, 30" Hg - 30 PSI (mechanical) $47.50

Water temperature, 100-260°F (electric) $53.50

SRTech you have a pm.

Anyone know where to get the "Radiator coupler" for a R53 or know what the inner diameter of the hose is.

Thanks

 
  #391  
Old 10-07-2009, 12:46 PM
Tron Chief's Avatar
Tron Chief
Tron Chief is offline
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Lemoore, CA
Posts: 1,872
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Good choice of the gauges. SRTech might have the diameter of adapter you need.

Originally Posted by ECHO-313
I'm looking to get.

Vac/Boost, 30" Hg - 30 PSI (mechanical) $47.50

Water temperature, 100-260°F (electric) $53.50

SRTech you have a pm.

Anyone know where to get the "Radiator coupler" for a R53 or know what the inner diameter of the hose is.

Thanks
 
  #392  
Old 10-07-2009, 01:08 PM
ECHO-313's Avatar
ECHO-313
ECHO-313 is offline
3rd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Tron Chief
Good choice of the gauges. SRTech might have the diameter of adapter you need.
Thanks
 
  #393  
Old 10-07-2009, 01:37 PM
Gil-galad's Avatar
Gil-galad
Gil-galad is offline
Coordinator :: Eastern Iowa MINIs
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Decorah, IA
Posts: 5,520
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Originally Posted by ECHO-313

Anyone know where to get the "Radiator coupler" for a R53 or know what the inner diameter of the hose is.
If you install the adapter downstream of the thermostat (near or in lieu of the bleed valve) the hose is approximately 1.25" ID. Here's the adapter I purchased for this install (recommended by a previous gauge installer):

http://www.autometer.com/cat_accesso...il.aspx?vid=51

The one disadvantage of this location is that there is no reading until the thermostat opens. As an alternative, you can also install in the heater supply hose to get more instantaneous block temp reading, but it is harder to access. Not sure what the ID is of those lines.
 
  #394  
Old 10-07-2009, 05:14 PM
JIMINNI's Avatar
JIMINNI
JIMINNI is offline
Banned
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Fresno Ca.
Posts: 4,862
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by Gil-galad

As an alternative, you can also install in the heater supply hose to get more instantaneous block temp reading, but it is harder to access. Not sure what the ID is of those lines.
When Steve installed mine, this is what we did. My coupling is a prototype, he may be developing a part for retail? Not sure though as it will not be a "stock" part.
 
  #395  
Old 10-08-2009, 06:00 AM
ECHO-313's Avatar
ECHO-313
ECHO-313 is offline
3rd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Gil-galad
If you install the adapter downstream of the thermostat (near or in lieu of the bleed valve) the hose is approximately 1.25" ID. Here's the adapter I purchased for this install (recommended by a previous gauge installer):

http://www.autometer.com/cat_accesso...il.aspx?vid=51

The one disadvantage of this location is that there is no reading until the thermostat opens. As an alternative, you can also install in the heater supply hose to get more instantaneous block temp reading, but it is harder to access. Not sure what the ID is of those lines.
Thanks for the info.
Not sure which way I'll go. I'll have to take a look at the heater supply hose and see how tough it will be for me to do. (not sure where it's at).
That's the way I'd like to go.
If anyone has any other ideas or tip, I could use them.
Thanks
 
  #396  
Old 10-08-2009, 09:45 AM
SRTech's Avatar
SRTech
SRTech is offline
Former Vendor
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Oakhurst/Fresno, CA
Posts: 3,480
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ECHO-313
Thanks for the info.
Not sure which way I'll go. I'll have to take a look at the heater supply hose and see how tough it will be for me to do. (not sure where it's at).
That's the way I'd like to go.
If anyone has any other ideas or tip, I could use them.
Thanks
Here's the Autometer heater hose adapter that will fit the 3/4" hose exiting the thermostat housing.

http://www.autometer.com/cat_accesso...il.aspx?vid=50

You must remove your intake to access this area so it's not as easy as the radiator hose connection. Water flows through this hose even when the thermostat is closed so the gauge will read all the way up from ambient water temp. These can be bought online for about $30.

Steve
 
  #397  
Old 10-08-2009, 10:37 AM
ECHO-313's Avatar
ECHO-313
ECHO-313 is offline
3rd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Sweeeet. That's what I'm going to do. Removing the intake is no big deal.
I would like to have it read from ambient.
Why no prices on the autometer site??
 
  #398  
Old 10-08-2009, 10:42 AM
ECHO-313's Avatar
ECHO-313
ECHO-313 is offline
3rd Gear
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Hey Steve, did you send me an invoice? Or is the first order free .. lol
 
  #399  
Old 10-08-2009, 01:39 PM
SRTech's Avatar
SRTech
SRTech is offline
Former Vendor
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Oakhurst/Fresno, CA
Posts: 3,480
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ECHO-313
Hey Steve, did you send me an invoice? Or is the first order free .. lol
I have a hard time keeping track of the PMs. Please use the gaugegb@blackoaks.com address and send me your name, billing and shipping information. Once you approve the estimate I send you, you can call me at Custom Mini Shop, 559.320.0004, with your CC info. Thanks.

Steve
 
  #400  
Old 10-08-2009, 01:42 PM
SRTech's Avatar
SRTech
SRTech is offline
Former Vendor
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Oakhurst/Fresno, CA
Posts: 3,480
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ECHO-313
Sweeeet. That's what I'm going to do. Removing the intake is no big deal.
I would like to have it read from ambient.
Why no prices on the autometer site??
Because they only sell through dealers, unlike the MINI world.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ATM-2281


Steve
 


Quick Reply: Interior/Exterior Matching factory gauges



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:39 PM.