Interior/Exterior Adding paddles to a Cooper automatic?
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Adding paddles to a Cooper automatic?
I traded my 2006 MCSCa in for a 2010 MC a few weeks ago. Overall I'm really happy with it. But I really wish MINI hadn't eliminated the ability to get paddle shifters on the base Cooper. Paddling shifting is just so much better and more fun than using the regular shifter. Granted, the loss wasn't enough to make me order an S - getting 15" wheels and a spare tire won out there. But I still miss them especially since the transmission on the 2010 seems to shift a lot faster than the 2006.
I gotta believe most of the wiring and stuff you need is already there. So I'm wondering, has anyone added paddles themselves?
I gotta believe most of the wiring and stuff you need is already there. So I'm wondering, has anyone added paddles themselves?
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I'm told it was cost cutting. But I'm shocked they didn't at least make it available as a standalone option; I'd willingly have paid a few hundred extra for them.
The dealer didn't seem to be aware of any way to add it - if it's not officially sanctioned by BMW NA/MINI NA then they probably don't want to even touch it.
I did read somewhere that in Canada it's still avaialble as a $100 factory option.
The dealer didn't seem to be aware of any way to add it - if it's not officially sanctioned by BMW NA/MINI NA then they probably don't want to even touch it.
I did read somewhere that in Canada it's still avaialble as a $100 factory option.
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For awhile when I was looking for my 08 MCS (in late 07 and early 08), the paddle shifters were standard with the performance package, and could be added as factory option for extra cost. I wouldn't put it past MINI to have discontinued or changes that option, they've done the same thing to the performance package and several other options.
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Paddles are still available here in Canada. They're a $100 option on the Cooper with auto trans, and they come with the auto trans option on the "S".
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I wonder why they're still available here in Canada... doesn't seem to make sense to drop them there but keep them here, even as a $100 option (quite cheap, IMHO) on the automatic JustaCooper. As I mentioned above, if the Canadian Cooper "S" is ordered with the auto trans, the shift paddles are still included (I just checked on the MINI Canada website) with NO option to delete them. You get them on your automatic "S" whether you want them or not.
Puzzling???...
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Standard on all models of the S, completely unavailable on all models of the non-S.
I believe that paddles are standard worldwide on the automatic S. In most countries, paddles are not standard on the non-S but available as an option. MINIUSA was different including paddles as standard on the non-S, but now a complete turnaround not offering it at all, not even as an option. For this thread, the main question (still unanswered) is whether paddles can be retrofitted.
I believe that paddles are standard worldwide on the automatic S. In most countries, paddles are not standard on the non-S but available as an option. MINIUSA was different including paddles as standard on the non-S, but now a complete turnaround not offering it at all, not even as an option. For this thread, the main question (still unanswered) is whether paddles can be retrofitted.
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I'm with franinpa on that one, get a 6 speed!
But either way, MINI ditching the paddles is pretty lame. That's the only thing I actually enjoyed about that transmission. As far as I know, the car being paddle-less is the only thing that changed on the transmission between 2009 and 2010, so I wouldn't be surprised if you could get it done. And if it can be done with an S's transmission, it can be done with an MC's.
Actually, since you live in Philly, it wouldn't be a bad idea to call, or even visit one of the Canadian dealers that is right over the border (somewhere between Niagara Falls and Toronto) to see if they can hook it up for you. Wouldn't be TOO bad of a drive to get it done professionally if one of the US dealers can't do it. Just a thought.
But either way, MINI ditching the paddles is pretty lame. That's the only thing I actually enjoyed about that transmission. As far as I know, the car being paddle-less is the only thing that changed on the transmission between 2009 and 2010, so I wouldn't be surprised if you could get it done. And if it can be done with an S's transmission, it can be done with an MC's.
Actually, since you live in Philly, it wouldn't be a bad idea to call, or even visit one of the Canadian dealers that is right over the border (somewhere between Niagara Falls and Toronto) to see if they can hook it up for you. Wouldn't be TOO bad of a drive to get it done professionally if one of the US dealers can't do it. Just a thought.
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I have an 08 Cooper auto with the paddles and love them. The temporary gear override function is awesome and cannot be replicated with the gear selector.
From studying the diagrams at RealOEM I would be willing to bet you could get all of the parts for your multifunction steering wheel to add the buttons. Now I would be willing to bet the wiring still exists (But BMW is well known for removing the wiring from harnesses if the feature is not factory ordered).
So with the buttons installed, the system may just start working.
My gut feel is that it will work, but if it doesn't this is where the dealer may help or you may have to get the J2534 tool and program the "retrofit" yourself. The real key to this is getting the computer to recognize the paddles are there. This may or may not be an option on the software and you won't be able to tell unless someone with a 09+ auto non-S Cooper can tell whether paddle shifters are listed in the retrofit list.
See this thread about how to go about getting this setup:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...2534-tool.html
No matter how you look at it, testing this out is going to be tricky since you will have to dissemble your wheel to see if you can test activate the buttons or the wiring associated with them. If it works then you need just the correct parts to add the paddles. If not, then it just may not work.
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...73&hg=32&fg=35
The paddles are part number 4, lists for $255.
Finding the wiring harness in the TDS would help dramatically. I can't load it at the moment since I don't have a Windows computer handy at the moment.
From studying the diagrams at RealOEM I would be willing to bet you could get all of the parts for your multifunction steering wheel to add the buttons. Now I would be willing to bet the wiring still exists (But BMW is well known for removing the wiring from harnesses if the feature is not factory ordered).
So with the buttons installed, the system may just start working.
My gut feel is that it will work, but if it doesn't this is where the dealer may help or you may have to get the J2534 tool and program the "retrofit" yourself. The real key to this is getting the computer to recognize the paddles are there. This may or may not be an option on the software and you won't be able to tell unless someone with a 09+ auto non-S Cooper can tell whether paddle shifters are listed in the retrofit list.
See this thread about how to go about getting this setup:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...2534-tool.html
No matter how you look at it, testing this out is going to be tricky since you will have to dissemble your wheel to see if you can test activate the buttons or the wiring associated with them. If it works then you need just the correct parts to add the paddles. If not, then it just may not work.
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...73&hg=32&fg=35
The paddles are part number 4, lists for $255.
Finding the wiring harness in the TDS would help dramatically. I can't load it at the moment since I don't have a Windows computer handy at the moment.
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I'm with franinpa on that one, get a 6 speed!
As far as I know, the car being paddle-less is the only thing that changed on the transmission between 2009 and 2010, so I wouldn't be surprised if you could get it done. And if it can be done with an S's transmission, it can be done with an MC's.
As far as I know, the car being paddle-less is the only thing that changed on the transmission between 2009 and 2010, so I wouldn't be surprised if you could get it done. And if it can be done with an S's transmission, it can be done with an MC's.
$100 doesn't buy much at a MINI/BMW dealer, not around these parts anyway!
I'd call around and ask. Many dealers will just say "No", but surely some adventurous MINI dealer would do it for you if it's possible.
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Not sure what is going here, but here are the paddles:
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...73&hg=61&fg=35
Lists for $293 each.
The good things I have found with more research is the car's main wiring harness does not depend on the transmission type. Nor the steering column switches. You may need a new steering wheel to put the paddles into.
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...75&hg=32&fg=35
There it shows the different part numbers depending on the paddle shifters or for the actual wheel itself.
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...73&hg=61&fg=35
Lists for $293 each.
The good things I have found with more research is the car's main wiring harness does not depend on the transmission type. Nor the steering column switches. You may need a new steering wheel to put the paddles into.
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...75&hg=32&fg=35
There it shows the different part numbers depending on the paddle shifters or for the actual wheel itself.
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http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...73&hg=32&fg=35
The paddles are part number 4, lists for $255.
The paddles are part number 4, lists for $255.
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Thanks for adding absolutely nothing constructive to this discussion. Plus for some of us who may have a disability, like me, and cannot drive a manual, your comment comes off as crass and childish.
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I have the opposite problem. I have an 2007 auto S with the paddles and am wondering if I can get rid of them. I want to order a JCW wheel and the only thing keeping me from doing that is the paddles. It seems that they just plug in somewhere.
ronmichael, I'd be willing to sell you my auto wheel, if I can get my jcw wheel on without problems. (For much cheaper than the dealer)
I'm worried that not having the paddles plugged in will cause the computer to constantly throw error codes. So I'm wondering if i can get a reflash done to tell the computer that I don't have the paddles.
I guess I could just try it and find out. Funny, how it's like the exact opposite problem.
ronmichael, I'd be willing to sell you my auto wheel, if I can get my jcw wheel on without problems. (For much cheaper than the dealer)
I'm worried that not having the paddles plugged in will cause the computer to constantly throw error codes. So I'm wondering if i can get a reflash done to tell the computer that I don't have the paddles.
I guess I could just try it and find out. Funny, how it's like the exact opposite problem.
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Want to try?
I have an extra wheel with the paddles and multifunction. It is off an 09 MCSa, and in perfect condition. Wanted a regular MF wheel, guy sent me one for automatic by mistake.
The wiring for the paddles and the MF inserts are wired together ; they both end in one adaptor connection that plugs into the steering column.
PM me if interested, if not will post on marketplace.
Should work. If an MCS can have it, why not a MC?
The wiring for the paddles and the MF inserts are wired together ; they both end in one adaptor connection that plugs into the steering column.
PM me if interested, if not will post on marketplace.
Should work. If an MCS can have it, why not a MC?
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I know I'm bringing back an old thred, but the root question seems to have never been answered.
Has anyone out there successfully added paddle shifters to a Non-S Gen 2 MIni, 2009 or later?
If so, is the wiring to add it in all of the cars? Does it require programming? Can the average dealer do the job? What should we expect the cost to be?
Has anyone out there successfully added paddle shifters to a Non-S Gen 2 MIni, 2009 or later?
If so, is the wiring to add it in all of the cars? Does it require programming? Can the average dealer do the job? What should we expect the cost to be?
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I went the other way and removed the shifters to install a jcw wheel, but I may have some insight.
Do you guys already have the MFSW buttons and cruise control?
If you do the plug should already be there. The paddles are actually wired into the harness for the mfsw controls and they both plug into the same spot.
If you have the mfsw controls already you shouldn't need to have a reprogramming. when I removed the paddles there were no alarms, the car didn't seem to care that the paddles were gone, so I assume it should just be a plug and play type thing.
However, the parts my be exspensive. You will have to buy a new wheel with the paddles and a new set of MFSW controls with a wiring harness for the paddles. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a way to just get the wiring harness, you have to buy a new set of mfsw controls. All in all, about $500 for parts. It may be a little different on your 09, but this is how it was on my 07.
I've actually been trying to sell my old wheel if anyone is interested. It comes with the paddles, mfsw controls, and the correct wiring harness. You would have to use the bottom center spoke piece and screws from your current wheel.
I was looking for $200 shipped, if anyone is interested just let me know.
Do you guys already have the MFSW buttons and cruise control?
If you do the plug should already be there. The paddles are actually wired into the harness for the mfsw controls and they both plug into the same spot.
If you have the mfsw controls already you shouldn't need to have a reprogramming. when I removed the paddles there were no alarms, the car didn't seem to care that the paddles were gone, so I assume it should just be a plug and play type thing.
However, the parts my be exspensive. You will have to buy a new wheel with the paddles and a new set of MFSW controls with a wiring harness for the paddles. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a way to just get the wiring harness, you have to buy a new set of mfsw controls. All in all, about $500 for parts. It may be a little different on your 09, but this is how it was on my 07.
I've actually been trying to sell my old wheel if anyone is interested. It comes with the paddles, mfsw controls, and the correct wiring harness. You would have to use the bottom center spoke piece and screws from your current wheel.
I was looking for $200 shipped, if anyone is interested just let me know.
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The Automatic has a different steering wheel. The paddles fit into a recessed area on the spokes. See this thread for how someone modded a JCW wheel to accept the paddles:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-shifters.html
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-shifters.html