Interior/Exterior Schroth Harness Installation Instructions?
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Schroth Harness Installation Instructions?
I know that racing parts often expect that the installer already knows what he is doing, but in my case I do not. I have a driver's side Schroth Rallye 4 driving harness to put in the new Mini, and it says it basically clips in without having to remove the old belt. It does, however. come with a large bolt, which I assume replaces one of the stock mounting bolts. Which one do I replace?
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Originally Posted by JoeDentist
I know that racing parts often expect that the installer already knows what he is doing, but in my case I do not. I have a driver's side Schroth Rallye 4 driving harness to put in the new Mini, and it says it basically clips in without having to remove the old belt. It does, however. come with a large bolt, which I assume replaces one of the stock mounting bolts. Which one do I replace?
Left waist belt- attaches to short belt with buckle that bolts onto the existing hardware on the left floor just behind the front seat- you will need to bend the mounting bracket to an "L" shape so that it will fit near to the seat and allow the belt to angle up to the harness.
Right waist belt- buckles right into the existing seat belt buckle
Right shoulder belt- buckles right into the existing rear left passenger center buckle
Left shoulder belt- buckles into a short belt/buckle which must be mounted into the rear left passenger seat area- You must remove the entire rear seat bottom cushion- just pull up from the front edge and slide out. Locate the bolt on the rear left side of the seat-this faces the left rear wheel fender area and remove the stock bolt. You will be replacing this bolt with the longer harness bolt and inserting the mounting plate and belt before tighting it all up. This added short belt and buckle attach to the left shoulder belt of the harness.
Once the hardware is installed you use the clips and buckles to install the harness in about 2 minutes. Feed the rear belts through the gap between the posts of the driver headrest. Make sure that the correct belt goes to the rear middle buckle- the two rear buckles are different (the funny clip goes to the outer side buckle while the standard clip goes to the stock center buckle)
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Schroth install
It sure is strange that they ship those things with out instructions! Mine came that way too, and I got the instructions in a PDF file from another user. It has 80 % warnings and only 20% instructions.
As for the front left bracket. I first installed it with the bent up belt end closest to the seat. I discovered that it was scratching the seat, and abrading the stock belt.
I reversed the bracket and now it is against the side of the car well away from the seat and stock belt.
I wonder why they provide that bracket? With the front bolt out, you can slip the Schroth belt end on to the stock bracket and the stub will lay neatly on the floor when not in use. The belt ends up within an inch of the place that the bent bracket puts it.
John
As for the front left bracket. I first installed it with the bent up belt end closest to the seat. I discovered that it was scratching the seat, and abrading the stock belt.
I reversed the bracket and now it is against the side of the car well away from the seat and stock belt.
I wonder why they provide that bracket? With the front bolt out, you can slip the Schroth belt end on to the stock bracket and the stub will lay neatly on the floor when not in use. The belt ends up within an inch of the place that the bent bracket puts it.
John
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Originally Posted by Veni_Vidi_Vici
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I'll admit I don't know much about racing harnesses but I was under the impression that the installation detailed in that write-up is pretty bad for you in case of an accident. Because the rear hook-ups are so low, they actually pull/push your shoulders downwards in case of a head-on collision where as if they were mounted at shoulder level behind ya, they would simply just hold you in place.
Can anyone who knows more shed some light on this?
Can anyone who knows more shed some light on this?
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Shoulder Belt Anchor
Schroth harnesses are specific to the car.
In this case the harness must pass between the two posts on the head rest of a MINI. That way it is up over the top of the seat, which is up over the hieght of my shoulders, and it keeps you centered as well.
They also get by with out an Anti Submarine Belt, because by plugging into the MINI inboard Female, they are making use of the 2" pretensioner that will yank that belt down about 2 inches if the car detects a crash. There is a "tear out stitched fold over" in the Schroth shoulder harness that appears to compensate for that.
This is all based on my reading, as so far, I have only used the harness to keep me well placed in the seat when doing Solo I or II (Autocross), and have not had the opportunity to test it's crash restraint my self.
John
In this case the harness must pass between the two posts on the head rest of a MINI. That way it is up over the top of the seat, which is up over the hieght of my shoulders, and it keeps you centered as well.
They also get by with out an Anti Submarine Belt, because by plugging into the MINI inboard Female, they are making use of the 2" pretensioner that will yank that belt down about 2 inches if the car detects a crash. There is a "tear out stitched fold over" in the Schroth shoulder harness that appears to compensate for that.
This is all based on my reading, as so far, I have only used the harness to keep me well placed in the seat when doing Solo I or II (Autocross), and have not had the opportunity to test it's crash restraint my self.
John
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Originally Posted by jefe
I'll admit I don't know much about racing harnesses but I was under the impression that the installation detailed in that write-up is pretty bad for you in case of an accident. Because the rear hook-ups are so low, they actually pull/push your shoulders downwards in case of a head-on collision where as if they were mounted at shoulder level behind ya, they would simply just hold you in place.
Can anyone who knows more shed some light on this?
Can anyone who knows more shed some light on this?
http://www.mini2.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15422
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I teach a class in Pre-Hospital Trauma Life Support (sort of a EMT/paramedic). There is a small section on crash physics. The two ways you usually go in head on collision is up&over or submarine. stock belts do nothing for submarining. I don't see how the scroth can pull you down when all the force is being applied up and away. But there also a nice picture of a girl in a head on collision with stock belts (not in a mini) there were lip prints on her chest from how hard she hit. the seat belt stopped her but her head kept going.
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I can't inagine the Schroth harness is any worse than the stock belt, and it seemed to come with some sort of certification that it is at least acceptable. Quite frankly, with all the air bags in the Mini, the role of the seatbelt is just to keep you within the halo of airbags and avoid being thrown out of the car, Personally, I just hate a belt that crosses over my shoulder - it bothers my neck. Plus it certainly looks cooler than the stock belt.
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If you are talking about the harness bar, then yes. The attachment points are the factory locations for the outboard rear lap belt and the outboard front lap belt.
It's pretty slick: you install a bracket to each rear lap belt mount. The bracket can be left in all the time and the rear seat is still useable:
The front uses a bracket that is held in place by the factory front lap belt mount:
Even though the harness can be in place with the rear seat in, obviously passengers would not be welcome back there.
It's pretty slick: you install a bracket to each rear lap belt mount. The bracket can be left in all the time and the rear seat is still useable:
The front uses a bracket that is held in place by the factory front lap belt mount:
Even though the harness can be in place with the rear seat in, obviously passengers would not be welcome back there.
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