Interior/Exterior Question for Police Officers...
#26
11-02-2006, 09:46 AM
#27
11-02-2006, 09:50 AM
MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT)
Act 300 of 1949
257.257 Altering, forging, or falsifying documents; penalty.
Sec. 257.
(1) A person who commits any of the following acts is guilty of a felony:
(a) Alters with fraudulent intent any certificate of title, registration certificate, or registration plate issued by the department.
(b) Forges or counterfeits any such document or plate purporting to have been issued by the department.
(c) Alters or falsifies with fraudulent intent or forges any assignment upon a certificate of title.
(d) Holds or uses such a document or plate knowing the same to have been altered, forged, or falsified.
(e) Knowingly possesses, sells, or offers for sale a stolen, false, or counterfeit certificate of title, registration certificate, registration plate, registration decal, or registration tab.
(2) A person who is convicted of a second violation of this section shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than 2 years or more than 7 years, or by a fine of not less than $1,500.00 or more than $7,000.00, or both.
(3) A person who is convicted of a third or subsequent violation of this section shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than 5 years or more than 15 years, or by a fine of not less than $5,000.00 or more than $15,000.00, or both.
History: 1949, Act 300, Eff. Sept. 23, 1949 ;-- Am. 1992, Act 309, Eff. Mar. 31, 1993
© 2006 Legislative Council, State of Michigan
http://198.109.173.11/(S(ae4tadqpnhh...light=Altering
Act 300 of 1949
257.257 Altering, forging, or falsifying documents; penalty.
Sec. 257.
(1) A person who commits any of the following acts is guilty of a felony:
(a) Alters with fraudulent intent any certificate of title, registration certificate, or registration plate issued by the department.
(b) Forges or counterfeits any such document or plate purporting to have been issued by the department.
(c) Alters or falsifies with fraudulent intent or forges any assignment upon a certificate of title.
(d) Holds or uses such a document or plate knowing the same to have been altered, forged, or falsified.
(e) Knowingly possesses, sells, or offers for sale a stolen, false, or counterfeit certificate of title, registration certificate, registration plate, registration decal, or registration tab.
(2) A person who is convicted of a second violation of this section shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than 2 years or more than 7 years, or by a fine of not less than $1,500.00 or more than $7,000.00, or both.
(3) A person who is convicted of a third or subsequent violation of this section shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than 5 years or more than 15 years, or by a fine of not less than $5,000.00 or more than $15,000.00, or both.
History: 1949, Act 300, Eff. Sept. 23, 1949 ;-- Am. 1992, Act 309, Eff. Mar. 31, 1993
© 2006 Legislative Council, State of Michigan
http://198.109.173.11/(S(ae4tadqpnhh...light=Altering
EDIT: Now that I read that again I think you are fine! It say Fraudulent Intent.... And you aren't Forging or Counterfeiting the Plate But I say to contact your local Law Enforcement Agency and ask them about it to be on the save side.
#28
11-02-2006, 11:32 AM
Hopefully that helps you a little. But then again look at the rest of your MINI! And I have to agree with others it also depends on the Officer and some just might say "Fix It"
EDIT: Now that I read that again I think you are fine! It say Fraudulent Intent.... And you aren't Forging or Counterfeiting the Plate But I say to contact your local Law Enforcement Agency and ask them about it to be on the save side.
EDIT: Now that I read that again I think you are fine! It say Fraudulent Intent.... And you aren't Forging or Counterfeiting the Plate But I say to contact your local Law Enforcement Agency and ask them about it to be on the save side.
I thank the DMV for inserting the qualifier, "alters with fraudulent intent" which I obviously am not...afterall, it is a vanity plate and I am not trying to fool anyone...
#30
11-02-2006, 11:51 AM
Just found a great resource...
http://forums.officer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37
What a neat place to have a chat with the people in the know
What a neat place to have a chat with the people in the know
#32
11-02-2006, 12:15 PM
Probably everything that happens "out there" is dependent on this or the last words he had with his wife before he left the house that day...
#35
11-02-2006, 12:56 PM
From an Illinois Officer...
Speaking as an officer from Illinois who is in the Traffic Safety Unit, unfortunatley I would have issue you a ticket for altering the plate. In IL it is a pretty serious offense, up there with messing with your car title. I might cut you a bit of slack being a MINI owner, though 
Maybe more if you drove a Purple Haze S!
Also in IL it is illegal to have ANY plastic cover on your license plates, or for that matter you cannot have a plate frame that covers any part of the lettering or renewel sticker. It is also illegal to have any window tint on the front driver and/or passenger side windows. Sorry that doesn't help you out much in Michigan, though.
It is interesting reading some of the comments you all have left - especially the automatic assumption that the cop who pulls you over is going to be a man
-- Officer AmandaBeo
Maybe more if you drove a Purple Haze S!Also in IL it is illegal to have ANY plastic cover on your license plates, or for that matter you cannot have a plate frame that covers any part of the lettering or renewel sticker. It is also illegal to have any window tint on the front driver and/or passenger side windows. Sorry that doesn't help you out much in Michigan, though.
It is interesting reading some of the comments you all have left - especially the automatic assumption that the cop who pulls you over is going to be a man
-- Officer AmandaBeo
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11-02-2006, 12:59 PM
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That's not true. the official Nevada DMV site is http://www.dmvnv.com/
#37
11-02-2006, 01:00 PM
Well actually...
Trust me, I've heard them all, especially from my boyfriend the fire fighter who LOVES to throw out cop jokes every chance he gets.
-- Officer AmandaBeo
#38
11-02-2006, 01:06 PM
The NV govt sites are all .govs, but the DMV site with a .gov doesn't even exist.
#39
11-02-2006, 01:09 PM
257.225
In IL the CLEAR plastic is acceptable, seems like thats the case in MI too. In IL the lack would not fly as we are not allowed to have anythying opaque on or over the plate, in Michigan it seems more like they are saying it needs to be ligible and meet visible standards but modifing is acceptable. At least that is MY interpretation of it (and I'm not a police officer).
In IL the CLEAR plastic is acceptable, seems like thats the case in MI too. In IL the lack would not fly as we are not allowed to have anythying opaque on or over the plate, in Michigan it seems more like they are saying it needs to be ligible and meet visible standards but modifing is acceptable. At least that is MY interpretation of it (and I'm not a police officer).
-- Officer AmandaBeo
#41
11-02-2006, 01:12 PM
Unfortunatley Motor On, you are incorrect. The IL law changed on January 1st, 2006, making it illegal to have ANY plastic cover over your license plates. In fact, some plate frames are now illegal if they cover the sticker or too much of the plate.
-- Officer AmandaBeo
-- Officer AmandaBeo
plus, it looks better.
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11-02-2006, 01:15 PM
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11-02-2006, 01:17 PM
I'm betting you will get an answer
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11-02-2006, 01:29 PM
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11-02-2006, 01:32 PM
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I was not aware that all plastic covers over license plates were illegal in Illinois.
I have used various plate frames for years, mostly solid black, just because I thought the improved the look and they protected the plate. I was always careful to replace them if they started turning foggy or yellow.
I can understand the rationale to ban covers that obscure the tag (like old yellowed ones). I would be interested in knowing why all were banned. Maybe because that eliminated the need to argue which ones were too opaque?
Guess I'll go home tonight and take off the covers.
I have used various plate frames for years, mostly solid black, just because I thought the improved the look and they protected the plate. I was always careful to replace them if they started turning foggy or yellow.
I can understand the rationale to ban covers that obscure the tag (like old yellowed ones). I would be interested in knowing why all were banned. Maybe because that eliminated the need to argue which ones were too opaque?
Guess I'll go home tonight and take off the covers.
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11-02-2006, 01:42 PM
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I have been thinking of something similar on my PW PW MINI.
Here in colorado, the plates are white with green lettering. I have been thinking of painting the white part pepper white and the dark green part black. Then blasting the plate with a reflective clear paint. I was also wondering the legality of this.
There was a MINI5280 member who got a 3 point ticket for having a peace sign sticker in between the 2 sets of 3 numbers. But that was blatant alteration, mine is slight colouration... hmmmm..
Here in colorado, the plates are white with green lettering. I have been thinking of painting the white part pepper white and the dark green part black. Then blasting the plate with a reflective clear paint. I was also wondering the legality of this.
There was a MINI5280 member who got a 3 point ticket for having a peace sign sticker in between the 2 sets of 3 numbers. But that was blatant alteration, mine is slight colouration... hmmmm..
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11-02-2006, 01:47 PM
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#49
11-02-2006, 01:58 PM
http://forums.officer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37
What a neat place to have a chat with the people in the know
What a neat place to have a chat with the people in the know
This is an excellent forum, especially the general chat. You get to learn all kinds of neat things about what the care about and what they don't.
#50
11-02-2006, 01:58 PM
This is why i have an Electric Blue car, the blue plate matches very well....lol but with all this snow out side right now, we will not know if Sid gets pulled over for his plate till sometime in the spring ....lol
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