JCW 2020 MINI GP Article
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#853
After all that I have been through with this process I have already made up my mind on this issue. In the event that my dealer does this I will walk away from the deal, ask for a refund of my deposit and buy a C8 corvette! For not a whole lot more money I will have a whole lot more automobile. I love my JCW and I do want a GP, but I will not tolerate gouging.
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After all that I have been through with this process I have already made up my mind on this issue. In the event that my dealer does this I will walk away from the deal, ask for a refund of my deposit and buy a C8 corvette! For not a whole lot more money I will have a whole lot more automobile. I love my JCW and I do want a GP, but I will not tolerate gouging.
It will be interesting to see if it goes to phase 2 of the negotiations or just fall flat. I believe they will become more flexible toward the end of the month.
Then, if everything goes through and in writing for both parties, I will send my deposit. This way there will be no surprise at delivery.
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I realize the GP3 is a special car but mine was the same sticker price ($45k) and basically the same car minus the trim and back seat delete of the GP. I got $5k off and I got almost exactly what KBB said for my 2014 JCW Coupe trade-in ($11k). That was at the end of March and it was the only 2020 JCW Clubman they had at that dealership.
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The vison of 2017 "to the few" have been carried out word by word, the initial hardcore bodywork future project among the few`s.
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However, if you look at weight alone, the Clubman is about 30% heavier. Adding weight is one of things IMSA does in their POP to slow cars down. Weight affects everything with respect to a car’s performance. A lighter car will accelerate faster (traction limits aside; think 60 to 100 mph coming out of a corner), corner better and stop better. Then factor in the GP3’s aero bit, larger tires, wider track, lowering and more track oriented suspension over what the Clubman has. The All4 in the Clubman may give it an advantage in ease of handing and balance, so it may be an easier car to drive fast to its limits, but for ultimate performance on the track, my bet would be on the GP for the win.
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That would be an interesting comparison. My guess is someone has it in the mix.
However, if you look at weight alone, the Clubman is about 30% heavier. Adding weight is one of things IMSA does in their POP to slow cars down. Weight affects everything with respect to a car’s performance. A lighter car will accelerate faster (traction limits aside; think 60 to 100 mph coming out of a corner), corner better and stop better. Then factor in the GP3’s aero bit, larger tires, wider track, lowering and more track oriented suspension over what the Clubman has. The All4 in the Clubman may give it an advantage in ease of handing and balance, so it may be an easier car to drive fast to its limits, but for ultimate performance on the track, my bet would be on the GP for the win.
However, if you look at weight alone, the Clubman is about 30% heavier. Adding weight is one of things IMSA does in their POP to slow cars down. Weight affects everything with respect to a car’s performance. A lighter car will accelerate faster (traction limits aside; think 60 to 100 mph coming out of a corner), corner better and stop better. Then factor in the GP3’s aero bit, larger tires, wider track, lowering and more track oriented suspension over what the Clubman has. The All4 in the Clubman may give it an advantage in ease of handing and balance, so it may be an easier car to drive fast to its limits, but for ultimate performance on the track, my bet would be on the GP for the win.
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Oh for sure the GP3 would win on the track over my car. The suspension and different tires (and lower weight) would do that for sure (not sure about the aero stuff though). But I'll tell you one thing: I LOVE the adjustable dampers on this car, it's one of my favorite things about it. The Sport setting is great, but on some roads the Mid setting is way better. I rarely use the Eco mode for anything. I was getting tired of the sport suspension on my JCW Coupe, this is way better. And I can get a set of golf clubs in the back without taking the woods out of the bag!
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So, is this why the F56 and the GP3 doesn’t have a decent diffuser?....
Stock F56 exhaust on the left vs what it should be... Ugh!
It seems that BMW/MINI is trying really hard to make these cars into something other that what they are meant to be...
Picture courtesy of this link:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post4539288
Stock F56 exhaust on the left vs what it should be... Ugh!
It seems that BMW/MINI is trying really hard to make these cars into something other that what they are meant to be...
Picture courtesy of this link:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post4539288
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So, is this why the F56 and the GP3 doesn’t have a decent diffuser?....
Stock F56 exhaust on the left vs what it should be... Ugh!
It seems that BMW/MINI is trying really hard to make these cars into something other that what they are meant to be...
Picture courtesy of this link:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post4539288
Stock F56 exhaust on the left vs what it should be... Ugh!
It seems that BMW/MINI is trying really hard to make these cars into something other that what they are meant to be...
Picture courtesy of this link:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post4539288
For GP3 I recommend this after some changes are effected.
Muffler
https://remus.eu/mini-cooper-s?___st..._from_store=fr
Diffuser
https://www.rsic6.com/product-page/r...tor-fiberglass
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So, is this why the F56 and the GP3 doesn’t have a decent diffuser?....
Stock F56 exhaust on the left vs what it should be... Ugh!
It seems that BMW/MINI is trying really hard to make these cars into something other that what they are meant to be...
Picture courtesy of this link:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post4539288
Stock F56 exhaust on the left vs what it should be... Ugh!
It seems that BMW/MINI is trying really hard to make these cars into something other that what they are meant to be...
Picture courtesy of this link:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post4539288
I was very surprised how quiet the Magnaflow box is, too. And MUCH lighter than the OEM piece it replaces. I might be a little surprised any sound comes out of the OEM muffler.
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Ya, I know. But it was such a great picture I couldn’t resist.
If Magnaflow can do it, why can’t MINI? I know that there are noise requirements they have to meet, but that OEM piece seems to be excessive, especially when you say the Magnaflow is on the quieter side. I wonder if the OEM piece is straight though or it has a couple of right angle bends in it, which will pluck a few Hp out of the engine.
If Magnaflow can do it, why can’t MINI? I know that there are noise requirements they have to meet, but that OEM piece seems to be excessive, especially when you say the Magnaflow is on the quieter side. I wonder if the OEM piece is straight though or it has a couple of right angle bends in it, which will pluck a few Hp out of the engine.
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Ya, I know. But it was such a great picture I couldn’t resist.
If Magnaflow can do it, why can’t MINI? I know that there are noise requirements they have to meet, but that OEM piece seems to be excessive, especially when you say the Magnaflow is on the quieter side. I wonder if the OEM piece is straight though or it has a couple of right angle bends in it, which will pluck a few Hp out of the engine.
If Magnaflow can do it, why can’t MINI? I know that there are noise requirements they have to meet, but that OEM piece seems to be excessive, especially when you say the Magnaflow is on the quieter side. I wonder if the OEM piece is straight though or it has a couple of right angle bends in it, which will pluck a few Hp out of the engine.
I'd be curious to hear a GP3 with a straight through "muffler"
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That's true, but you need a decent diffuser and for sure a better muffler
For GP3 I recommend this after some changes are effected.
Muffler
https://remus.eu/mini-cooper-s?___st..._from_store=fr
Diffuser
https://www.rsic6.com/product-page/r...tor-fiberglass
For GP3 I recommend this after some changes are effected.
Muffler
https://remus.eu/mini-cooper-s?___st..._from_store=fr
Diffuser
https://www.rsic6.com/product-page/r...tor-fiberglass
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KYDan - I saw you did a “like” on another blog thread discussion about the JCW using the same brake pads as the BMW M2, M3 and M4. The caliper on the GP3 looks to be the same, but with a larger disk, as the caliper on the JCW. Any idea if that might be true? If it is, then that opens up a number of options for race/track day pads for the GP3.
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KYDan - I saw you did a “like” on another blog thread discussion about the JCW using the same brake pads as the BMW M2, M3 and M4. The caliper on the GP3 looks to be the same, but with a larger disk, as the caliper on the JCW. Any idea if that might be true? If it is, then that opens up a number of options for race/track day pads for the GP3.
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I wonder how much weight it adds. For sure my car is a lot heavier than my Coupe (by probably 800lbs) but it's faster, stops faster, has a better transmission, and handles almost as good and rides better. Gets almost the same gas mileage. And I can get 2 sets of golf clubs in it to boot!
However, as outright performance goes (track times, for example), weight is a killer. I follow the IMSA racing and I find it really interesting when the announcers talk about the balance of performance changes that are made to the cars. A lot of cases it is the addition or removal of weight in the range of 15kg (about 33 lbs) and that makes a noticeable difference. The added weight to make the GP an All4 would be considerably more than that, and is the reason I believe the weigh would more than offset any performance gain.
I have to believe the addition of rear wheel drive will add several hundred pounds (guess in the 100 to 200# range?). This would have to include a larger transmission casing, a middle differential, a drive shaft and supports, a rear differential, the half shifts, rear lower control arms, drive wheel hubs, heavier springs and maybe shocks (to handle the higher unsprong and sprong weight), relocated exhaust, maybe a different and larger tunnel, and i am sure I missed a few things.