JCW 245/45/17s vs 245/40/17s
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Took a Novice on m first runs so they could see the course in "Real Time" … you can see the 235/45/17's fill the wheel well and that I have had to raise the Mini up on the spring perches for clearance purposes.
I am ready to go back to the fast 225/45/17s and lower the Mini which will be about 1" lower with tire change and spring perch adjustments. Still fun on any tire tho...
Last edited by Darbys2019MiniJCW; 10-14-2019 at 12:23 PM.
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2017All4 (09-18-2019)
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Next year the car will get a new setup, the choosen wheels will have low offset and wider track and 3,5 camber and a complete new rear (caster), you can drive certin sections only as manschurian candiate, with the present setup. I allways choose the tires first and its availabilty but 245 will it be. the record runs of VW/ Renault where are all with 245/30-18.
#28
So some interesting numbers. The 235/45/17's mounted on 7.5" rims stacked measured 37.15". yesterday I dismounted them and stacked they measure 37.75". I know that is just .6 inches divided by four tires BUT it shows some effects of smaller rims. Now the 225/45/17's mounted stack at 35.25" compared to the 245/45/17s at 37.15" . The Section width is 1.9" between the four (mounted) or .475" per tire on 7.5" rims. Not a huge amount of tread width loss either...
I know from previous AutoX Runs that the 225/45/17s run faster than the 235/45/17's...whether it is from the Diameter decrease (quicker acceleration) or from the sidewall response on proper rim size...or a combo of that and the raised Mini Height to compensate for tire diameter.
The Tires will drop the Mini .5" and I can lower the spring perches about .25" and still have clearance...so the COG will be much better at .75" lower suspension settings/tire diameter difference
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Your experience is similar to my own on the track. I have run 205/50x15 (RE71R), 215/45x17 (ZIII) and 225/45x17 (R888) on the same track, same day, with results that were very similar. The 205s were the slowest, but I also had 3 additional shift points with those that I did not have with the 17” tires. They are also 2” smaller in diameter, which lowers the car by an inch. The 225s are clearly pinched on the 7” wide wheels and, even being R-comps, they were nearly the same as the ZIIs (200 wear tire). This is a long track (3.4 mi) with a 2:25-ish lap time. The 205s were only about a second slower. On a short track (1.5 mi) the 205s are clearly fastest. The 8% improvement in gearing is clearly noticeable as is the 3 - 4 lbs per wheel decrease in weight. I expect the lower cg is in there too.
Looking forward to your next run. You have also confirmed my next wheel and tire purchase for the JCW...
Looking forward to your next run. You have also confirmed my next wheel and tire purchase for the JCW...
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Clutch Wotan (09-18-2019)
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Your experience is similar to my own on the track. I have run 205/50x15 (RE71R), 215/45x17 (ZIII) and 225/45x17 (R888) on the same track, same day, with results that were very similar. The 205s were the slowest, but I also had 3 additional shift points with those that I did not have with the 17” tires. They are also 2” smaller in diameter, which lowers the car by an inch. The 225s are clearly pinched on the 7” wide wheels and, even being R-comps, they were nearly the same as the ZIIs (200 wear tire). This is a long track (3.4 mi) with a 2:25-ish lap time. The 205s were only about a second slower. On a short track (1.5 mi) the 205s are clearly fastest. The 8% improvement in gearing is clearly noticeable as is the 3 - 4 lbs per wheel decrease in weight. I expect the lower cg is in there too.
Looking forward to your next run. You have also confirmed my next wheel and tire purchase for the JCW...
Looking forward to your next run. You have also confirmed my next wheel and tire purchase for the JCW...
I can't wait till October 5th and 12th for the next 2 AutoXs on the new tires/adjusted suspension.
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Eddie07S (09-19-2019)
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The 225/45/17s have proven themselves to be right on the mark...and are perfect fit on the 7.5" rims
The only other real option would be the 235/45/17s at 25.4" OD … 7.7" Tread Width where the tread width is basically identical and the height a bit taller... I wish they came in 235/40/17s so I could spend days/weeks/months trying to figure it out LOL
The 225/45/17s fit 7-8.5" rims
The 235/45/17s fit 7.5-9" rims
I would rather be in the middle of 7-8.5" rims with better clearance for lowering the Mini
Just a Note: The wheels/weight/tires/mounted weight 40.2 pounds each (225/45/17s) on the NM RSe05 Wheels...The JCW Stock Wheels 18x7 and Run-Flats weight in at 40.1
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Eddie07S (09-19-2019)
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I look up tires on TireRack.com because they have a better layout but I buy them off Discounttires.com because they have better pricing...
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For Ref. I measured "sidewalls from floor not mounted" (4) 205/45/17 BF Goodrich G-force Comp-2 A/S total approx 34-1/8", single tire 8-5/8". My current P7 run flat is just a tad over 8" wide. I'm hoping when mounted the BF's clear the strut, only have 5mm clearance with narrow P7's.
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