RMW Bay Area Tuning Session

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #201  
Old 03-06-2008 | 08:16 PM
brownflyer's Avatar
brownflyer
Former Vendor
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 436
Likes: 0
From: Nor. Cal. Bay Are
I actually lost HP.....

...JK... So, I'll be the first to post my graph. Explanation is required here, if you look at my graph it actually shows that I've lost some TQ & HP. However, this was on the final run. Jan went back and loaded a previously saved map that increased HP to the hand written numbers. We just didn't do a final run after the new map because that had been done earlier but I didn't get a printout of that graph.


The engine was already strong from the begining. Although my numbers are not dramatic or earth shattering, it definitely pulls stronger and smoother throughout. I was testing it all the way home from San Jose to Fairfield and there is definitely a difference!

My mods: 15% Craven pulley, MiniMadness CAI, Milltek Catback.

-----Thanks to Sharo and Jan for putting this on. It was nice meeting and talking with everyone there.
 

Last edited by brownflyer; 03-06-2008 at 08:20 PM.
  #202  
Old 03-06-2008 | 09:04 PM
MINICHEF's Avatar
MINICHEF
6th Gear
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 3,049
Likes: 0
From: Golden, Colo.
A huge thanks to Jan, Sharo and the Team at Goodies !!!
Not big gains here +8.6 ft/lb and 11.3 hp. But you sure can feel all of it.
 
  #203  
Old 03-06-2008 | 09:10 PM
brownflyer's Avatar
brownflyer
Former Vendor
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 436
Likes: 0
From: Nor. Cal. Bay Are
That's some awesome gains Minichef. I think the average HP gain was about 9hp and 6-7tq. You're definitely on the higher end of averages...

What were your final #'s?
 
  #204  
Old 03-06-2008 | 11:25 PM
MINICHEF's Avatar
MINICHEF
6th Gear
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 3,049
Likes: 0
From: Golden, Colo.
172.4 lbft
188.8 hp
 
  #205  
Old 03-07-2008 | 07:08 AM
kazlot's Avatar
kazlot
4th Gear
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 557
Likes: 0
From: San Francisco Bay Area
RMW Bay Area Tuning Session

Thanks to Jan, Sharo and the Team at Goodies !!

I got what I wanted. Drivability!!

There's a noticeable improvement in power delivery and for my car it no longer drops off in power, almost stumbling, prior to red-line.

My gains were +8.8 ft/lb and 12.6 hp. The final numbers are 164.7 ft/lb and 189.5 hp.

And yes, you can feel every one! Just like the Energizer Bunny, it just keeps pulling and pulling!!!

Yes, I'm a happy camper thank you!
 
  #206  
Old 03-07-2008 | 07:18 AM
tazio's Avatar
tazio
Thread Starter
|
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,118
Likes: 3
From: Right here
167lbft and 191hp peak numbers -gains of 11 and 13, respectively*. Almost all of the extra torque is available right from tip in. The engine feels a notch smoother and definitely juicier. I would describe myself as a happy customer. Thanks Jan and Sharo for getting me out the door on schedule!

*2004 engine with 72k miles; 05+ JCW kit with intake and injectors
 

Last edited by tazio; 03-07-2008 at 01:17 PM.
  #207  
Old 03-07-2008 | 07:21 AM
mikenaron's Avatar
mikenaron
2nd Gear
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 72
Likes: 0
From: Morgan Hill, CA
Oh boy.. great gains guys.. I'm getting ready to head over that way now to wait my turn for a tune..
 
  #208  
Old 03-07-2008 | 08:09 AM
checkers's Avatar
checkers
5th Gear
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 866
Likes: 53
From: Modesto, Ca
My numbers are a little low at 195.6 HP and 175 TQ, but being an automatic it's not bad. The problem was my car keeped up shifting at 6400 rpms and we were unable to get it hold in gear. The car is definitely stronger. It seems to have two kick down points. Jan and I where talking about the problems in dynoing with the automatics. He said he was going to do a little reseach on the programing and see what can be done. Thanks Jan the car runs great.
 
  #209  
Old 03-07-2008 | 09:49 AM
brownflyer's Avatar
brownflyer
Former Vendor
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 436
Likes: 0
From: Nor. Cal. Bay Are
Can everyone post their mods? This will give us good comparative figures.

Thanks....


---Edit, ooops, I just noticed some of you have them in your sig.....LOL
 
  #210  
Old 03-07-2008 | 05:19 PM
TWON's Avatar
TWON
4th Gear
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 484
Likes: 0
From: East Bay, CA
Hey everyone! Just wanted to give a BIG thank you to Jan for coming out here, Sharo for organizing everything for us and the great shop crew. The Goodies crew looked exhausted, it was obvious you all had a long previous night.

I was fortunate enough to get my tune first. I would have loved to stick around and get to know everyone better, but I have been under the weather and was on the bring of collapsing the whole time I was there, but I wasn't about to miss out on this rare chance. My girl friend actually had to drive home.

On to the stuff you all want to see...

This is a 06 factory JCW with no other mods. Jan mentioned that I need a new belt and may have got a slightly better number if it had been changed. It was also running leaner then JCW's usually do which was probably exasperating the flat spot at 3000 rpm, this was my main reasoning for the tune.



Flat stop is gone!!! I haven't had a chance to push it too much, but it does have a little more power and a MUCH smoother delivery. THANK YOU JAN!!!!!

Again, so sorry I couldn't hang out longer, hope everything went smoothly after I left.
 
  #211  
Old 03-08-2008 | 09:09 AM
JIMINNI's Avatar
JIMINNI
Banned
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,862
Likes: 3
From: Fresno Ca.
Soooo??
 
  #212  
Old 03-08-2008 | 12:14 PM
SharoSC02's Avatar
SharoSC02
5th Gear
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 727
Likes: 0
Wanted to thank everyone that came in and participated for Jan's tune. We had 2 long days of fun tunning and had it not been for Matt (DR O.) we would not have been able to finish some the cars that had some leaking and belt slipping issues.

Huge thanks to Matt and his outstanding effort and hard work, voluntary, to help out the people that needed it.

The event was great when you get to meet Jan. What can I say about him. He worked and tuned and tuned and ate his lunch while tunning. The results of every individual I will leave with that person to post as they please but all I can say is that there was not one single person that didn't leave the shop/tunning session without being very happy to say the least.

I just had the pleasure of taking Jan and Matt to breakfast in Los Gatos cafe, a local place for some great food and took few pictures for my own pleasure .

As far as my results since this would be my part in sharing the numbers, I haven't scanned my dyno sheet but we went 3 pulls with mine which was the last car of the event. Well 70spop had to do a 2nd session, being the actual last person, due to the earlier leak he had and the map that Jan had to make sure was the right one with better results for him. But as far as my results, like I said, we had 3 pulls, 2 base and one with Jan's tune;

1st base pull came in at 205 whp and 162.5 lbs trq.
2nd base pull came in at 213 whp and 165 lbs trq.
3rd run (Jan's tune) came in at 220 whp and 172.0 lbs trq.

The best part of the tune on mine (like everyone else) was the lb trq at the tip (2,400-2600 rpm) base was 129-130 which it jumped to 145-150 with Jan's tune and it stayed constant and rose through almost the entire range with the peak of 172.0 at 5,878 rpm doing 94 mph.

Notice that I'm still with the stock injectors and perhaps had we done the 4th pull I'm convinced that the 225-230 would not have been impossible since my car had been sitting all day and got it to warm up a little before the runs. It was interesting that the car put out better numbers with every pull and I felt that if we had hit the 7,500 rpm the car could have easily done 225-230 whp.

My trq. is alive and the car is running much safer than before which was very very lean. Now my little beast is running very safe with much improved trq and an unbelievable, shocking experience of the test drive around the block. I had my heart pumping so fast when I got out of my car and looked at Jan and we could not stop laughing and I was screaming in joy.

70Spop was there to be the only witness of my ecstasy feeling besides Jan and the shop workers.

I can't tell you enough about how much stronger the car feels and runs now compared to before, it was almost scary. Jan and I were laughing at how unbelievable the power was. He basically looked at my expression after my test drive and started to laugh with me and we could not stop talking about how great it was.

I want to take this chance of thanking Jan again, a consummate professional in every category and what an outstanding job that he did these past 2 days with a remarkable effort that he put out in his nonstop tunning, even when he was eating his lunch. As they say, you have to see it to believe it, well I'm a believer now more now than I was before.

Here is to Jan and another to Matt and all his help.

Thanks again to everyone and hope you enjoyed your experience.

Sharo
 

Last edited by SharoSC02; 03-08-2008 at 12:20 PM.
  #213  
Old 03-08-2008 | 06:53 PM
tazio's Avatar
tazio
Thread Starter
|
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,118
Likes: 3
From: Right here
And to Sharo as well! Thanks for pulling this together. You made it happen.
 
  #214  
Old 03-08-2008 | 11:46 PM
MINICHEF's Avatar
MINICHEF
6th Gear
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 3,049
Likes: 0
From: Golden, Colo.
  #215  
Old 03-09-2008 | 08:56 AM
a4blur
1st Gear
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
From: Silicon Valley
Thanks Sharo and Jan for pulling this event together!
 
  #216  
Old 03-09-2008 | 10:17 AM
rkw's Avatar
rkw
OVERDRIVE
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 8,233
Likes: 123
From: San Francisco
I enjoyed meeting everybody. Big thanks to Sharo for organizing and running the event. Jan was very professional about getting the job done right as issues came up. Matt (Dr Obnxs) was incredible donating his time and expertise. Fully a third of the cars had some issues, and Matt salvaged their sessions.
 
  #217  
Old 03-10-2008 | 07:39 AM
70spop's Avatar
70spop
6th Gear
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 6,056
Likes: 0
From: Sacramento, CA
Originally Posted by SharoSC02
1st base pull came in at 205 whp and 162.5 lbs trq.
2nd base pull came in at 213 whp and 165 lbs trq.
3rd run (Jan's tune) came in at 220 whp and 172.0 lbs trq.

70Spop was there to be the only witness of my ecstasy feeling besides Jan and the shop workers.



Yeah, Sharo was really excited after his "test drive" following the last pull.
 
  #218  
Old 03-10-2008 | 07:41 AM
mikenaron's Avatar
mikenaron
2nd Gear
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 72
Likes: 0
From: Morgan Hill, CA
Fully agree with everyone. The tune from Jan made the mini run a lot smoother. Mine had a step function in torque at around 5000 RPM. Jan smoothed out the torque curve and made the car pull a lot smoother. I ended up with 161 ft*lbs for torque and 172 hp at 6700 rpm. Can't remember where torque peaked, but much like Checkers, I'm pretty happy with the results on an automatic transmission. My drivetrain mods are 15% pulley, JCW injectors, dinan intake and exhaust.

Future mods will be RMW head, header, cam, rotrex kit and another tune. Just have to convince my boss (i.e. wife) that I'm a good boy and deserve more toys..

Almost forgot to say it was great to meet everyone on Friday. Thank you again to Sharo for putting this together and waiting both days and still being the last guy to get tuned. Thank you to Matt as well, without whom at least 1/3 of the guys would have slipping belts or even worse problems.

Time to take my wife up to Napa this weekend to show her how much I deserve new toys..

-Mike
 
  #219  
Old 03-10-2008 | 07:45 AM
astrochex's Avatar
astrochex
6th Gear
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,731
Likes: 0
From: Anaheim, CA
Mike, do you know what your #'s were before the tune?

Thanks.
 
  #220  
Old 03-10-2008 | 07:45 AM
Revolution Mini Works's Avatar
Revolution Mini Works
Banned
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,878
Likes: 2
From: Irvine, CA
Originally Posted by 70spop


Yeah, Sharo was really excited after his "test drive" following the last pull.

understatement of the year

thanks again to everyone for being such great hosts and even nicer people! I had a great time and look forward coming to the Bay area again. Great food and great times!

jan
 
  #221  
Old 03-10-2008 | 07:52 AM
70spop's Avatar
70spop
6th Gear
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 6,056
Likes: 0
From: Sacramento, CA
I'll second and third and etc. everyone else - Thanks to Jan and Sharo for tuning and organizing, and a HUGE thanks to Matt (Dr. O) for technical assistance above and beyond the call of duty. He did a LOT of wrenching that allowed several of us to get a proper tune, including changing a few s/c belts and, in my car, chasing down a vacuum leak that was giving Jan fits for a couple hours - turned out the line for the boost gauge had fallen off the fitting at the intake manifold.


Results:

I can't post the charts, but going from memory

Baseline:

182.0 hp
162ish ft/lbs tq

After getting everything buttoned up and a couple tweaks:

191.4 hp
164 ft/lbs tq.

We got a peak of 168 ft/lbs on one of the pulls, but it was just a couple peaks on that run, not a solid maximum.

The car is a JCW with the airbox and 380s, a MiniMadness airfilter in the JCW box, ALTA header and Milltek catback.

The car doesn't feel crazily different (unlike Sharo's, which picked up 20hp and 10 or so ft/lbs), but tip in response is MUCH better now (power comes on - and the gauge registers boost - instantaneously when you give it a little gas) and the car pulls strong and smooth all the way past 7,000 rpm. I haven't tried hitting the rev limiter - I think it's at 7,300 now.
 

Last edited by 70spop; 03-10-2008 at 07:55 AM.
  #222  
Old 03-10-2008 | 07:59 AM
70spop's Avatar
70spop
6th Gear
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 6,056
Likes: 0
From: Sacramento, CA
Originally Posted by TWON
The Goodies crew looked exhausted, it was obvious you all had a long previous night.
You should've seen 'em at 7:00 pm Friday.

Originally Posted by TWON
hope everything went smoothly after I left.

Eh..... coulda gone smoother. It was another long day.
 
  #223  
Old 03-10-2008 | 08:09 AM
mikenaron's Avatar
mikenaron
2nd Gear
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 72
Likes: 0
From: Morgan Hill, CA
Astrochex,

I was running (this is coming from memory, so may be off by a point or two), 155 torque and 159 hp..

-Mike
 
  #224  
Old 03-10-2008 | 08:30 AM
jimz68's Avatar
jimz68
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,014
Likes: 2
From: SF Bay Area
I am SO bummed I had to pass up the oppertunity of having Jan tune my car. I had a new clutch/flywheel installed the week before, so a tune just wasn't in the budget.
If you need a cutch kit and/or flywheel, Jan is THE man to call. Awesome price on the combo.

Thanks Jan!!

Jim
 
  #225  
Old 03-10-2008 | 08:49 AM
Dr Obnxs's Avatar
Dr Obnxs
Former Vendor
iTrader: (7)
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 10,340
Likes: 4
From: Woodside, CA
Glad I could help out...

but I"m still tired.... Anyway, my peak HP numbers didn't change that much... From 189 to almost 195. BUT I got about 10 ft-lbs of torque from about 2500-5000 RPM, with the delta slowly going away to about 7000 RPM. My A/F ratios were climbing from about 6000 on, so I'm thinkin I'm a bit fuel starved at the end. Also, I'm still running the one-ball exhaust, so the car needs to breath better to get better peak numbers....

And probably the best thing is that I don't throw any more lean codes cruising on the freeway. I've been plagued by that since the MTH map for the 380 cc/min injectors I put in oh so long ago....

Anyway, I can now bang out a belt change in about 5 min on a manual car, but the automatics are a bit more of a PITA!

Matt
 


Quick Reply: RMW Bay Area Tuning Session



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:27 PM.