ok i'm confused, more than usual.
According to my cooper USA book from the dealer it says 0-60 to be 8.5 secs but when you look at the JCW website dyno numbers it says after mod the 0-60 is then 8.9. So does that mean the cooper over here is less restricted in the first place?
Ok i have just looked up in the UK, they are saying 9.2 0-60 stock now that is a big difference between here and there...anyone know why?
Does any one know if the cooper JCW kit is coming here . It says all world dealer from april 2nd 2003, but i have only heard of the "s" coming here.

http://www.johncooper.co.uk/cgi-bin/...ersions_FS.htm

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Is the English mile any longer than the American one?

 

Damn! that metric system...screws everything up.

 

No, the miles in the 0-60mph times are the same. You will often seen these type of differences in what a manufacturer quotes as it's 0-60 time and what can be done in the real world on an average day. The Cooper S says 6.9 0-60 in all of it's adds, though every magazine article I've read where they actually tested 0-60 (instead of going off manufacturer claims) shows ranges of 7.1 to 7.5, never 6.9. But of course this doesn't just happen with MINIs, I think all manufacturers quote the lowest possible 0-60 time under the absolute best conditions, and rarely match a magazine's tests.

 

>>ok i'm confused, more than usual.
You don't have to be confused. I can clear it all up (as mud).

>>According to my cooper USA book from the dealer it says 0-60 to be 8.5 secs but when you look at the JCW website dyno numbers it says after mod the 0-60 is then 8.9. So does that mean the cooper over here is less restricted in the first place?

Nope. You have misread the fine print. All of the data in the UK is based on metric distances. So acceleration times are judged against 0-100 Km/h which roughly translates to 0-62 mph not 0-60 hence the sligthly longer times. It is not your imagination. Also the UK numbers are more realistic compared to the very optimistic US numbers. The real times will vary with test conditions and the skill of the person and accuracy of the timing. Just take everything with a grain of salt or try it out and time yourself.

>>Ok i have just looked up in the UK, they are saying 9.2 0-60 stock now that is a big difference between here and there...anyone know why?

So if we assume that we can compare the numbers for the UK with the stock MC getting a time of 9.2 seconds and the JCW MC getting 8.9 seconds then that is good.

The UK time for the JCW kit MCS is 6.7 sec for 1-100 km/hr or 0-62 mph. Still conservative. Put on some proper lightweight wheels and you can shave another 0.2 sec off.

>>Does any one know if the cooper JCW kit is coming here . It says all world dealer from april 2nd 2003, but i have only heard of the "s" coming here.

For now only the MCS will get the JCW kit in the US (rough cost $6000).

>>http://www.johncooper.co.uk/cgi-bin/...ersions_FS.htm
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>>Help my insanity

You should recover. Just get in your MINI and do some motorin.

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>>No, the miles in the 0-60mph times are the same. You will often seen these type of differences in what a manufacturer quotes as it's 0-60 time and what can be done in the real world on an average day. The Cooper S says 6.9 0-60 in all of it's adds, though every magazine article I've read where they actually tested 0-60 (instead of going off manufacturer claims) shows ranges of 7.1 to 7.5, never 6.9. But of course this doesn't just happen with MINIs, I think all manufacturers quote the lowest possible 0-60 time under the absolute best conditions, and rarely match a magazine's tests.


hmm actually i think you are mistaken. manufactures mostly ALWAYS quote more conservatively than what can be done.

if a vette runs 0-6- in 4.6 seconds, the manufacture will always say 5.0 seconds

magazines always run them quicker :smile:

 

It just seems to be a big difference between the 2 quoted times from Mini them selves. 9.2 and 8.5.
Damn metric system....

 

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>>Damn metric system....

 

the 6.9 time for MCS & 8.5 for MC is wishful thinking by bimmer, obviously the 6.9 is a little suspect since they craved for under 7 secs....more accurate times which have been verified pretty much are MCS 7.5 ad MC at 9.5....the new MCS works are showing 6.6 to 6.8 secs..so all $5700 mod gets you is an improvement of 1 to 3 tenths of a second improvement 0 to 60 over the stock MCS, laugh....bimmer advanced claimed the works at 6.3, but latest test article from Car & Driver stated no way, that quote was way to ambitious, that the orginal claims in the field were actually reality.....just a note, drove the new Mitsu Evo and it is incredibly fast, but also highly question the 4.4 0 to 60 claims...that is in 911 Turbo territory which I have ridden in which is a whole different ball game, laugh....although I guess you only need one 0 to 60 run in perfect conditions to get a claim you can advertize...cheers

 

Could be a misprint? The figures at my dealership off of a MINI2 article say 6.9 seconds. That sounds more right.

 

Hi All,

Actually what he is asking in the beginning is if the JCW kit is comming to the US for the regular Cooper.The 0-100 km/h times he quoted are for the regular Cooper with the JCW kit.

The JCW kit for the regular Cooper is not comming to North America.Just for my own curiosity I phoned JCW.It turns out that the kit is too loud and too dirty to pass North American regulations.MiniUSA won't even let JCW sell the kits directly to consumers in NA.That ends that.

 

well that answers that does'nt it.... I wonder why the kit for the 'S' is not Dirty?

 

>>hmm actually i think you are mistaken. manufactures mostly ALWAYS quote more conservatively than what can be done.
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>>if a vette runs 0-6- in 4.6 seconds, the manufacture will always say 5.0 seconds
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>>magazines always run them quicker :smile:

Red... Then explain why every article ever produced about the S where they actually tested 0-60 instead of going off manufacturer claims shows at least 7.1, but all US documentation for the S shows 6.9... conservative? I think not.

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