maybe i should get my wife a tiny cubic zerconia ring for her b-day.

it looks like a diamond. it's small, it must be a diamond. if it feels like
a diamond, it must be a diamond! yay, kenchan saves $500. lol

nono jk my wife will detect faux the moment she sees it. i can never
get a white lie past her...

 

yah, the only claim im making is that the MOMO is like the coolest
looking shift **** like the Whalens. (at half the price!)

 

Can anyone translate this for me?


$500? Cheapo.


Oh, and

 

When I bought my Mini, I did nothing but drive it hard for the first 3000 miles. My gas mileage went up 3 MPG....

Lesson learned, you want better milage, drive more!

Unfortunantly, at 78,000 miles, I haven't improved 78 MPG. So now I'm pissed

Matt

 

Uhhh they did prove that man named Jesus was born and did indeed live where is Isreal now is 2k years ago so the basis of Christmas is true, just from stories they think it may have been spring instead of winter. But alas you are resfusing to discuss the product. What does the holiday of Christmas have to do with the TORNADO aside from making good Christmas tree ornaments?

Have you one shred of evidence that back up your claims???? Or is this merely a furtherment of your OPINION in which case you have yet to create an ARGUEMENT as you have yet to show any FACT!

With a lack of FACT this thread has accomplished nothing to answer the OPs question in the affirmitive, a few have provided FACT to discount the product, you insist it works we ask you to back it up (which if you can provide hard objective data make actually cause us to give this further consideration ourselves).

We have physics thats says it won't help.

Is there any substantial data or FACT to show this product works?

 

ok, Mr. Eric Richland, pass out the wealth to everyone immediately!

 

So the question is does the 500 goto the MINI or the G35?

 

No way. I'm saving up for the Tornado.

On topic - "Why not?" $55 + tax. No documented improvement.

 

don't tell my wife, but i already got my Valentine1 today.

 

OK, I'm one of the few who've tested this thing, documented the data using temperatures, roads, driving styles, etc. and proved (to nobody but myself, the only one that matters) that the Tornado doesn't conclusively work; but it also doesn't conclusively detract from performance. Any weight saved by lightening your wallet is put back by installing this product.

Two tests, both with a 2000 VW Passat 1.8t, manual trans, using the same route(s), same average speed, same weather (or as similar as it gets), same driver(s). Tornado was installed downstream of everything but the throttle body to get maximum churn to the intake air entering the motor. Tests conducted late Spring of 2000.

First test was my commute, 11 miles each way of mixed driving, recording average speeds. Fill up Monday, drive ONLY this commute, fill up Friday PM. Do the same the following week. Compare. Insignificant difference (0.1MPG better without the Tornado, which is attributable to fill-pump deviation more than anything). I used the weekend in between to gauge how different the car "feels" with and without. No change in perception for either driver who used that weekend.

Second test was back-to-back 45 mile (each way) round trips, mostly highway, using cruise control as much as possible and trying to replicate average speeds as closely as possible (given that I didn't have a test track at my disposal). Again, without the Tornado was 0.2MPG better, but the weather was avg 3-5 deg colder w/o the Tornado (65 vs 60-62 deg).

So... with a margin of error higher than the difference in test results, and absolutely no perceptible gain (or loss) to using the Tornado, I have to conclude "busted".

When I was told there was a money-back guarantee, and when the Salesman was so all-fired confident (while I was quite skeptical), AND having the means to conduct a test AND get my money back from the unit, I tried it and felt I should share. I got my money back. I suggest not getting one. They're snake oil - and I was able to prove it - to the VW dealership that sold it to me!. Twas a pleasure to go back and show them the results!

 

cool info. they took yours and sold it to the next guy who got happy
results. dealer doesn't care as long as you're happy and you keep
dropping your money for their services, they are very happy.

they're not going to argue about a little $50 part (which they buy
for no more than $20-23 wholesale) and tell an unhappy customer
to go home and eat it.

 

Our local news program ran a 'special' on increasing gas mileage and showed a segment with a mechanic hawking the tornado. I sent a scathing email to the station, berating them for giving legitimacy without doing any real research.
Thanks for the real world info, DixonL2!

 

This is right up there with those magnets people put on their fuel lines as far as I'm concerned. I hold two post-graduate degrees in chemistry and I'm actually angry those things are even sold.

 

no. you dont want to do that. get 'h color vs1' and tell her its 'flawless vvs1' and still save $500.

 

Fact is experience vs. your facts.

christmas comparison was given to show that even though its not factual in regards to the date, some honor it even proven false. do you get this point now.
scientist respect facts and the fact of christmas is not december and yet people go around, even scientist, celebrate and promote as though it was.
all i was getting around with this comparison was, not all facts are honor and respected but just the feel of it makes it more merrier.

if you want facts, give me the money and i will go and get it tested or better yet, why not others do it and proof it. as mentioned, i will not spend $100's of dollars for a $55 product to proof myself to anyone unless you provide me with the means.

 

thanks for taking the time to write your self testing.

question to all readers: doesn't cruise control take up more gas trying to regulate the constant set speed?

 

DAMMIT!!! More facts and science threatening to kill the greatest thread in months Pay no attention to the little man behind the curtain . . . he works for the Big Oil companies who killed the Fish Carburetor and are trying to keep us from the miracle of the Tornado. The way I see it, if I get 2 or 3 Tornados, and place them in line, then working in concert with my Slick 50 engine treatment and bright red wiring harness, the category 3 turbulence, unimpeded spark and politician-slippery internals will raise my mpg to the extent that I'll have to stop every few hundred miles to drain the excess gasoline I can then purchase a flawless cubic zirconia for my Fiancee that will make even Kenchan envious. That's how I roll - motor on

 

The usual "proof" on these bogus gizmo's (the tornator under different names, has been reinvented regularly for at least 40 years that I know of) is that someone buys one, drives with it, and finds that his mileage goes up.

Well, duhhh - when you are paying attention to better gas mileage, you unconsciously drive a little easier, and sure enough, the mileage goes up...

If a VW dealer sold you this piece of junk, they deserve to go out of business - the only single thing it does is reduce intake air flow, and you could do that by stuffing a sock in the intake...

 

You have discussed feelings of experiance which is opinion. I haven't even seen you do testing like Dixion did. Measure MPG with, without and woth it again so you'd at least have something! or insert a $10 thermometer to show me you reduce air temps, as you aren't changing volume show me you can improve density.

Heck find an independent study that tested this all that requires is a few minutes on Google, see if anyone else tested with positive results, write a professor at Indiana university to see if his class can prove anything.

You have yet to provide any fact to say that this works.

 

The tornado actually does work on the stacked 2 liter bottles where the one on top is full of water. The reason is BI-DIRECTIONAL flow. Water flows from the top bottle to the bottom one. That is very obvious. A little less obvious (but no less true) is that AIR flows from the bottom bottle to the top bottle. The tornado induces a spin in the water and slings it to the outside of the bottle, hence the funnel in the water. The funnel (in the water) flows more air (upwards from the lower bottle) than the glug glug glug you'd get by merely connecting the two bottles.

Since engines have unidirectional flow through the intake ductwork, the tornado only serves as a flow restriction.

Aside from throwing fuel on the fire, at least I debunked the most convincing part of the video.

Rawhyde

 

okay. enough with facts vs. experience. you stick to your facts and i will stick to my experience and thank you for trying to educate me.

but doesn't cruise control suck up more gas? you forgot this one.

 

No. Accelerating sucks up more gas than you save by decelerating. A constant speed will use the least amount of fuel. Also, going up a hill will use more extra gas than you save going down the hill. A headwind will use more extra gas than you save with the same tailwind.

If you don't believe the last 2, just ask a bicyclist.

 

Like any non sdrive-by-wire car, cruise control saves a lot of gas by eliminating the little bounces you foot does as the car moves and goes over bumps and the like. These are misinterpreted as a wish to accelerate, and the car starts to dump fuel.... So in this case the cruise control saves gas.

But there are times when it seems that the car fights too hard to keep speed, or engine brakes too much to drop speed before a hill that's coming up. In these cases I think you can get better mileage driving by hand, er by foot, because you know what's coming up and can anticipate it.

Also, some car companies program thier cars to not really do anything right as you tip the throttle, or with the drive by wire, you can filter the signal before you pass it on to be acted on by the fuel tables.... I honestly don't know what the Mini does with it's e-gas pedal signals once they get into it's cryptic little brain.....

Matt

Matt

 

Aptly put.

 

thanks for your thought and illustration to give us a better picture, but did you try it?
my experience with cruise control on my gs300 and the mini cooper proved otherwise. the gas consumption on cruise control was lot greater than without.
anyonce care to share their experience and not thoughts. this is free and we all have it so try it and see what the result is.

today seems like 'lets defy A S K day'. its all cool as long as we share our mini enthusiasm together.