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Old 09-29-2004 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by minicoopermike
I feel like the stock S has plenty of low and mid-range grunt but IMHO the top-end push is disappointing. It doesn't pull very hard after 4.5 or 5K. So I got the JCW kit - problem solved nicely . It pulls like a freight train all the way through redline.
Please compare the acceleration of the 3 cars in your sig!
 
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Old 09-29-2004 | 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by meanboy
I can show you a couple of hills in S.F. that will demonstrate the lack of low end or poor gearing in the MCS. A MCS will not leave off idle from a stop without a lot of revs(2.5-3k min) on these hills. In constrast, my old mustang..weighing almost 900 lb more will take off from an idle without any problems. Not what you would expect from a performance hatch/car. I have not experienced driving a MCS that has a pulley change or a JCW on these kinds of hills. It could make a difference. But on flat surfaces, the MCS has plenty of torque.
That Mustang probably had a very torquey V6 or V8 engine, so it is not a fair comparison, I am afraid.
 
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Old 09-29-2004 | 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Cooper4us
That Mustang probably had a very torquey V6 or V8 engine, so it is not a fair comparison, I am afraid.
Exactly, MCS does not have anywhere near the torque and it shows. I bet if I researched the dyno charts I could find that the MCS torque at the low end is embarassing. It's fine on flat ground but on steep hills it's toast. My old 87 honda accord 4 door was better off idle on steep hills then the MCS. I've own a lot of stick shift cars..some were vegas and they were better on hills. The problem is that if you give it gas it doesn't respond and once it does it doesn't have the torque to pull the car up. Thus, more revs early is the key. No taking off normally.
 
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Old 09-30-2004 | 05:59 AM
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I have noticed the JCW will pull you up a slight grade at idle, without any touch of the accelerator. :smile: Didn't notice this with the stock car.
 
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Old 09-30-2004 | 07:24 AM
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Since there are no hills or mountains here in Miami (Other than steep parking garage ramps in downtown) I have not really experienced the apparent low end torque in those kinds of situations. The parking garage at school has some pretty steep slope entrance ramps and often a traffic jam forms there as everyone is trying to make it into class. It is a bit nerve wracking, but my MCS has not really had a problem dealing with the ramps when I have one car in front of me and another practically riding my bumper in the back.
 
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Old 09-30-2004 | 09:44 AM
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It's not too bad of a problem in garage style ramps. we have some pretty steep hills here. I'll take some pics tomorrow to give you guys an idea of the ones I encounter . It's interesting to hear the JCW can pull up hills off idle..maybe, I need an upgrade.:smile:
 
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Old 10-07-2004 | 09:14 AM
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pics of some hills

It's not bad if you get it into the crosswalk but if you don't the car will roll back hard. 2 views of the hills..
 
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Old 10-07-2004 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by minicoopermike
I feel like the stock S has plenty of low and mid-range grunt but IMHO the top-end push is disappointing. It doesn't pull very hard after 4.5 or 5K. So I got the JCW kit - problem solved nicely . It pulls like a freight train all the way through redline.
You're kidding! In stock form, I thought the S had nothing until 5-5.5k RPMs.
 
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Old 10-08-2004 | 07:33 AM
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For people who have an MCS and test drove the MCSC over harsh roads, how is structural rigidity compromised in comparison?

I love the Cabrio and I´ve been thinking about trading my MINI, but I really love the rigid feel of my MINI and am not willing to trade if the Cabrio feels like its going to twist on bumpy roads.

The other thing I don´t like its that a white soft top is not offered.

Looking at the specs, the MCS weighs about 1200 Kilograms vs 1350 Kilograms in the Cabrio so that would explain the slower feel
 
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Old 10-08-2004 | 09:05 PM
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I cannot speak for the MCSC but I have driven my 03 MC for almost 2 years & took delivery of my MC Cabrio last week. I cannot believe the difference between the 2 cars. I drove the Cabrio for about 150 miles & then the 03. The difference was pronounced. The suspension is so much stiffer. The feel of the Cabrio overall is better. I took it through some good twisties tonight & it hugged the road thru all the turns. Maybe it's the new getrag tranny but I LOVE my new Cabrio The road I was on has lots of bumps, I experienced no cowl shakes what so ever. And you get the top down, always open experience to boot

Lois
 
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