R55 What critics hate - I love
#1
What critics hate - I love
I have read every review, forum, magazine article, I could on the internet, but for every thing they dislike about this vehicle, I absolutely love. They don't like the barn doors, I love the barn doors. The don't like the club door, think it is great. Don't like the speedo in the middle, think it is real nice. They don't like the drive, love the drive.
Love the car, when I saw it, had to have it.
Love the car, when I saw it, had to have it.
#2
I couldn't agree more. The reviews I keep reading talk about how impractical the Clubman is, but I don't think that they are thinking about it the right way. I'll be able to do the grocery shopping, and I can get my golf clubs into it. In a pinch, I'll be able to get all three of my kids (10, 2 and 2 weeks) into it, along with a stroller and diaper bag (our van will still do the heavy lifting in that department). Finally, I will drive to and from work with a smile on my face and spend less at the gas pump.
Could I get a better kid carrying car? Yes. Could I get a car that gets better gas mileage? Yes. Could a get a car that is more fun to drive at this price? Possibly (maybe a Lotus? Can't think of anything in the same price range). But if I want all of these things, I think the Clubman is the perfect balance of practicality and whimsy out there.
Could I get a better kid carrying car? Yes. Could I get a car that gets better gas mileage? Yes. Could a get a car that is more fun to drive at this price? Possibly (maybe a Lotus? Can't think of anything in the same price range). But if I want all of these things, I think the Clubman is the perfect balance of practicality and whimsy out there.
#4
I agree, the Clubman is a pretty darn brilliant package!!! I can't believe anybody would whine about those rear doors...they must be looking for something with which to earn their keep and, since the back doors are a bit different on a car that size, they pick on this. Sad really.
Obviously, aside from on-line reviews, the MINI designers obviously agree w/ your assessment. We should appreciate the little innovations and attention to detail seen throughout the car.
Obviously, aside from on-line reviews, the MINI designers obviously agree w/ your assessment. We should appreciate the little innovations and attention to detail seen throughout the car.
#5
In my opinion, there's only one other car in the $20-$35K price range that might could top the MINI (Cooper or Clubman) in fun-to-driveness, and that's the Mazda Miata.
#6
This was the main defining fact that made the Mini great.....that MINIs still retain this essential quality, in spite of the huge safety and other requirements made on modern cars, is a tribute to BMW's almost irrational devotion to the marque. That the Clubman (and the coupe for that matter) offer such fun in a fairly practical package (as opposed to a 2-seat configuration) is likewise brilliant!!!
#7
This was the main defining fact that made the Mini great.....that MINIs still retain this essential quality, in spite of the huge safety and other requirements made on modern cars, is a tribute to BMW's almost irrational devotion to the marque. That the Clubman (and the coupe for that matter) offer such fun in a fairly practical package (as opposed to a 2-seat configuration) is likewise brilliant!!!
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I have read every review, forum, magazine article, I could on the internet, but for every thing they dislike about this vehicle, I absolutely love. They don't like the barn doors, I love the barn doors. The don't like the club door, think it is great. Don't like the speedo in the middle, think it is real nice. They don't like the drive, love the drive.
Love the car, when I saw it, had to have it.
Love the car, when I saw it, had to have it.
#9
I personally think the Clubman, generally, has reviewed way better than the R56 hatch when it was launched last year.
Reviews are just that "opinions". Some get it and some don't.
To folks on the "fence" about the Clubman... Go out and drive it. Touch it, sit in it. You may be pleasantly surprised.
Reviews are just that "opinions". Some get it and some don't.
To folks on the "fence" about the Clubman... Go out and drive it. Touch it, sit in it. You may be pleasantly surprised.
Last edited by ClubmanS; 05-28-2008 at 11:19 AM.
#11
All of the above i missing from the second gen MINI.
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We also like the barndoors, 3rd door and the drive. Only an idiot would think the Mini should drive like a Camry or BMW sedan.
#16
The critics are just too damn lazy and don't bother to read the manual to figure our how the climate controls or radio controls work. This new gen of critics lacks basic reading and comprehension skills. It is truly amazing what you can do after reading the manuals and practicing what they tell you to do to get the most out of your vehicle. I discover new things every day!
#17
I may be in the minority, but I find that the temperature adjustment for the climate control is more difficult to reach and use than the one on my '04. I would probably be annoyed if I had to use the radio controls as well, but I really only adjust the volume since I change channels through the buttons on my XM radio.
#18
Critics are critics. I can't believe Car & Driver after 10 years is still slamming BMW's iDrive. I mean give it a rest already. It is so easy to use.
Critics are critics. Their constant slamming of things like iDrive just makes them look like they have the IQ of an 8 year old IMO, because there are thousands of people out in the real world using the iDrive.
There is no perfect car. Do I like the Hyundai Genesis' price? Hell yes. Would I ever drive it over a BMW? Not in a million years.
Critics are critics. Their constant slamming of things like iDrive just makes them look like they have the IQ of an 8 year old IMO, because there are thousands of people out in the real world using the iDrive.
There is no perfect car. Do I like the Hyundai Genesis' price? Hell yes. Would I ever drive it over a BMW? Not in a million years.
#19
Well, automotive journalists have to pick apart cars. If they universally praise a car and then people buy them and find the quirks, they get slammed as being biased. Soulless, quirkless cars like Toyota's and Hondas do much better in this respect but their owners are hardly as enthusiastic. I read the reviews but really only care about the hard numbers. You really have to drive a car, sometimes a lot, to see if it's what you need and want to live with every day.
The complaints about i-Drive I still agree with. People either find it natural and love it, or hate it. I guess I'm old school since I still don't like it and prefer actual ***** and dials for things. I don't even bother with Navigation systems in my car since I so infrequently need directions to where I'm going. The improvements they've made to i-Drive since initially offering it are to put more buttons, ***** and other redundant controls under it, basically taking a step backwards towards what every other car has. The only plus to idrive is that every rental car my friends would get in Germany would have it and they'd be unable to use it so I'd take control of everything but the steering, throttle, and braking, sitting in the passenger seat of the car.
The complaints about i-Drive I still agree with. People either find it natural and love it, or hate it. I guess I'm old school since I still don't like it and prefer actual ***** and dials for things. I don't even bother with Navigation systems in my car since I so infrequently need directions to where I'm going. The improvements they've made to i-Drive since initially offering it are to put more buttons, ***** and other redundant controls under it, basically taking a step backwards towards what every other car has. The only plus to idrive is that every rental car my friends would get in Germany would have it and they'd be unable to use it so I'd take control of everything but the steering, throttle, and braking, sitting in the passenger seat of the car.
#21
As most of you have rightfully noted - critics are critics! They will always find something to complain about: there is no 100% perfect car for everyone. And MINIs have always been in a class of their own. MINIs are like sushi - you either love them or hate them. Clubman being a "more practical" MINI is still a MINI and should be compared to other MINIs and not the MINIVANS or stationwagons and such, because it is none of them - it is a MINI :D
I said MINI way too many times :D
I said MINI way too many times :D
#22
Yes, and I considered the Miata, but it simply wasn't practical since I sometimes have my two kids. Oh yeah, and groceries. Oh and my dog. And my husband.
It just had to be a Clubman.
#23
I don't even have one yet, but after looking at every car imaginable for the last 3 yrs. I've finally decided on one. for pretty much this reason. (bolded)
#25
Impractical?! IMPRACTICAL?! What are they smoking?! Weed? They need to fire their dealer and get some quality weed! I looked at the basic Cooper and Clubman and the Clubman won me over. It had a better ride and a massive trunk with plenty of extra legroom. When my parents visit, it'll keep my mom from threatening to break my neck for buying a smaller car. My dad is taller than me and he was able to easily get into the back seat of the Clubman I test drove. Of course, the Club door helps immensely when getting out. And it can't hurt that it'll get an extra seven miles per gallon over my Intrepid. You're absolutely right.