R55 losing oil, SA says within normal limits
#1
losing oil, SA says within normal limits
Hi
I have a 2009 Clubman S with 47k. Some time ago, the timing chain repair was done. They didn't get one of the crimp seals right when they put the engine back together, and this caused an oil leak that was discovered this past March.
The dealership that did the original work did the repair. Last weekend, we noticed that the oil was a quart low (3 months after repair.) Today, they took another look. They changed out the seal around the oil plug because they thought there might have been a little oil around it, but didn't see anything else.
The service adviser tells me that using a quart of oil every 3 months is within normal limits for this car. I have had the car since February of 09 and have never had to add oil before. Am I being difficult if I think they are missing something? I have not had a car I needed to add oil to for a very long time, including the 05 Cooper S that I had before this one. I am concerned that the timing chain repair will be the gift that keeps on giving.
Do y'all have to add oil to your car every 3 months?
TIA
I have a 2009 Clubman S with 47k. Some time ago, the timing chain repair was done. They didn't get one of the crimp seals right when they put the engine back together, and this caused an oil leak that was discovered this past March.
The dealership that did the original work did the repair. Last weekend, we noticed that the oil was a quart low (3 months after repair.) Today, they took another look. They changed out the seal around the oil plug because they thought there might have been a little oil around it, but didn't see anything else.
The service adviser tells me that using a quart of oil every 3 months is within normal limits for this car. I have had the car since February of 09 and have never had to add oil before. Am I being difficult if I think they are missing something? I have not had a car I needed to add oil to for a very long time, including the 05 Cooper S that I had before this one. I am concerned that the timing chain repair will be the gift that keeps on giving.
Do y'all have to add oil to your car every 3 months?
TIA
#3
Hi
I have a 2009 Clubman S with 47k. Some time ago, the timing chain repair was done. They didn't get one of the crimp seals right when they put the engine back together, and this caused an oil leak that was discovered this past March.
The dealership that did the original work did the repair. Last weekend, we noticed that the oil was a quart low (3 months after repair.) Today, they took another look. They changed out the seal around the oil plug because they thought there might have been a little oil around it, but didn't see anything else.
The service adviser tells me that using a quart of oil every 3 months is within normal limits for this car. I have had the car since February of 09 and have never had to add oil before. Am I being difficult if I think they are missing something? I have not had a car I needed to add oil to for a very long time, including the 05 Cooper S that I had before this one. I am concerned that the timing chain repair will be the gift that keeps on giving.
Do y'all have to add oil to your car every 3 months?
TIA
I have a 2009 Clubman S with 47k. Some time ago, the timing chain repair was done. They didn't get one of the crimp seals right when they put the engine back together, and this caused an oil leak that was discovered this past March.
The dealership that did the original work did the repair. Last weekend, we noticed that the oil was a quart low (3 months after repair.) Today, they took another look. They changed out the seal around the oil plug because they thought there might have been a little oil around it, but didn't see anything else.
The service adviser tells me that using a quart of oil every 3 months is within normal limits for this car. I have had the car since February of 09 and have never had to add oil before. Am I being difficult if I think they are missing something? I have not had a car I needed to add oil to for a very long time, including the 05 Cooper S that I had before this one. I am concerned that the timing chain repair will be the gift that keeps on giving.
Do y'all have to add oil to your car every 3 months?
TIA
A good number of R-56's are burning a quart to every thousand miles and I am sure you are going to get a ton of responses to this post in a very short time . The red flag I see thrown by the service adviser is that he says burning a quart of oil in three months is normal ? How the hell can me make that wild *** guess without knowing how many miles a month you drive? If you drive 5,000 miles a month average its not a bad deal , if you drive 250 miles a month ,which many do if your mini is your weekend toy , then it's not such a good deal after all. I can understand him pinning the usage mileage wise as some have at 1,000 miles per quart ( that is a travesty in its own ) but not on a time element.
Randy
M7 Tuning
#4
Here comes one of those posts.
I have not had to add oil to my R55 09 Clubman S, but asked the dealership about the claim that a quart per 1,000 miles is normal. The SA told me that MINI considers that to be normal. I am floored. I do check my oil regularly, but find the dip stick difficult to read. I'm never really confident that I have an accurate reading.
I agree that saying a quart every 3 months is normal without relating it to the actual mileage is nonsense.
I have not had to add oil to my R55 09 Clubman S, but asked the dealership about the claim that a quart per 1,000 miles is normal. The SA told me that MINI considers that to be normal. I am floored. I do check my oil regularly, but find the dip stick difficult to read. I'm never really confident that I have an accurate reading.
I agree that saying a quart every 3 months is normal without relating it to the actual mileage is nonsense.
#5
My bad... the SA did not use a calendar reference, I did. He said 1000 miles to a quart was within normal limits.
If it is not unusual, that is good. My concern is that it was not doing this before they cracked the engine. I guess anyone can screw up a crimp seal, but it does not inspire confidence.
Thanks-
If it is not unusual, that is good. My concern is that it was not doing this before they cracked the engine. I guess anyone can screw up a crimp seal, but it does not inspire confidence.
Thanks-
A good number of R-56's are burning a quart to every thousand miles and I am sure you are going to get a ton of responses to this post in a very short time . The red flag I see thrown by the service adviser is that he says burning a quart of oil in three months is normal ? How the hell can me make that wild *** guess without knowing how many miles a month you drive? If you drive 5,000 miles a month average its not a bad deal , if you drive 250 miles a month ,which many do if your mini is your weekend toy , then it's not such a good deal after all. I can understand him pinning the usage mileage wise as some have at 1,000 miles per quart ( that is a travesty in its own ) but not on a time element.
Randy
M7 Tuning
Randy
M7 Tuning
#7
and if you dont believe me check out all the threads where people state the same thing and have asked the dealers. There are "hundreds" of threads on this exact same subject here on the forums.
My MINI goes thru a quart about every 1200 miles. And that has been from day one.
Now for my other cars over the years. listed in quart per XXXX in no particular order.
Nissan Pathfinder 1500-1700
Nissan Maxima 1200-1300
Dodge Pickup (v8) 1800
VW Fox wagon 1400
VW Rabbit 1100
Jaguar 1100
Saab 900 1300
Ford Windstar 2500
Chevy Aveo 4000
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#8
This is totally normal for some MINI's and is full acceptable by not only MINI /BMW but also the standard for Ford, Chevy, Toyota, Nissan, Mercedes, Porche, VW, and well all the others as well.
and if you dont believe me check out all the threads where people state the same thing and have asked the dealers. There are "hundreds" of threads on this exact same subject here on the forums.
My MINI goes thru a quart about every 1200 miles. And that has been from day one.
Now for my other cars over the years. listed in quart per XXXX in no particular order.
Nissan Pathfinder 1500-1700
Nissan Maxima 1200-1300
Dodge Pickup (v8) 1800
VW Fox wagon 1400
VW Rabbit 1100
Jaguar 1100
Saab 900 1300
Ford Windstar 2500
Chevy Aveo 4000
and if you dont believe me check out all the threads where people state the same thing and have asked the dealers. There are "hundreds" of threads on this exact same subject here on the forums.
My MINI goes thru a quart about every 1200 miles. And that has been from day one.
Now for my other cars over the years. listed in quart per XXXX in no particular order.
Nissan Pathfinder 1500-1700
Nissan Maxima 1200-1300
Dodge Pickup (v8) 1800
VW Fox wagon 1400
VW Rabbit 1100
Jaguar 1100
Saab 900 1300
Ford Windstar 2500
Chevy Aveo 4000
#9
Sorry, but I have been turning wrenches for many years and that is not normal. You may be buying that, but I wouldn't. I have both a turbo Subaru Forester and an R53 and neither burn that much oil over 1000 miles. Maybe at about 4K miles but not 1000. The problem is that the dealers don't want to fix the problem which would actually require them to replace that crap engine.
My S car doesn't burn oil but I wonder if it will start to as it ages.
My dealer told me that it's MINI who says 1 quart every 1K miles is normal.
I just can't believe that is normal, especially in a small "energy efficient" car.
That's not environmentally friendly.
You can bet that I check my oil religiously!
#10
Older cars can burn oil but by old, I mean over 100K at least. Even now I have almost 90K on my MINI and it runs great and doesn't burn oil at all. At 5K miles it is still near the top.
I am going to say this and you can take it for what it is worth. I was using Mobil 1 on the Forrester (Turbo) and it was burning more oil than normal. I was putting a quart in every 2500 or so. I switched to Amsoil and that stopped, in fact, I didn't have to put any in between changes. (5K for that car) The last change I did, I took the car to the dealer as I don't have room to do it myself and don't trust many of the mechs in my area. To date, we have not had to add any oil...
Perhaps certain brands burn off faster than others? Not sure and I haven't done any tests other than switching vendors so I have no proof, but if a car is burning oil, I might try a different brand to see if it makes a difference. That being said, I won't be using Mobile 1 any longer.
Bottom line is that the piston rings have not seated properly causing the loss of oil.
I am going to say this and you can take it for what it is worth. I was using Mobil 1 on the Forrester (Turbo) and it was burning more oil than normal. I was putting a quart in every 2500 or so. I switched to Amsoil and that stopped, in fact, I didn't have to put any in between changes. (5K for that car) The last change I did, I took the car to the dealer as I don't have room to do it myself and don't trust many of the mechs in my area. To date, we have not had to add any oil...
Perhaps certain brands burn off faster than others? Not sure and I haven't done any tests other than switching vendors so I have no proof, but if a car is burning oil, I might try a different brand to see if it makes a difference. That being said, I won't be using Mobile 1 any longer.
Bottom line is that the piston rings have not seated properly causing the loss of oil.
Last edited by daflake; 06-20-2012 at 07:55 AM.
#11
Older cars can burn oil but by old, I mean over 100K at least. Even now I have almost 90K on my MINI and it runs great and doesn't burn oil at all. At 5K miles it is still near the top.
I am going to say this and you can take it for what it is worth. I was using Mobil 1 on the Forrester (Turbo) and it was burning more oil than normal. I was putting a quart in every 2500 or so. I switched to Amsoil and that stopped, in fact, I didn't have to put any in between changes. (5K for that car) The last change I did, I took the car to the dealer as I don't have room to do it myself and don't trust many of the mechs in my area. To date, we have not had to add any oil...
Perhaps certain brands burn off faster than others? Not sure and I haven't done any tests other than switching vendors so I have no proof, but if a car is burning oil, I might try a different brand to see if it makes a difference. That being said, I won't be using Mobile 1 any longer.
Bottom line is that the piston rings have not seated properly causing the loss of oil.
I am going to say this and you can take it for what it is worth. I was using Mobil 1 on the Forrester (Turbo) and it was burning more oil than normal. I was putting a quart in every 2500 or so. I switched to Amsoil and that stopped, in fact, I didn't have to put any in between changes. (5K for that car) The last change I did, I took the car to the dealer as I don't have room to do it myself and don't trust many of the mechs in my area. To date, we have not had to add any oil...
Perhaps certain brands burn off faster than others? Not sure and I haven't done any tests other than switching vendors so I have no proof, but if a car is burning oil, I might try a different brand to see if it makes a difference. That being said, I won't be using Mobile 1 any longer.
Bottom line is that the piston rings have not seated properly causing the loss of oil.
I do expect an older car to burn oil faster, but to go from not needing to add oil to 1 quart per 1K miles doesn't make sense.
My car is under warranty and all oil changes have been done at the dealer.
We are going to buy the extended warranties, both of them, as I really want to keep the car.
So far, 35K, it runs great!
#12
My wife's Clubman S burns about almost a quart every 1000 miles. I'm not happy about it, but I do think it is "normal" for some of these motors. My old E36 M3 burned about the same amount. My Kia Sportage with 2.0 Turbo burns virtually nothing between 5000 mile changes. Wish I could drop that 260 hp mill into the R55!!
#13
Porsche -
Sorry, but I have been turning wrenches for many years and that is not normal. You may be buying that, but I wouldn't. I have both a turbo Subaru Forester and an R53 and neither burn that much oil over 1000 miles. Maybe at about 4K miles but not 1000. The problem is that the dealers don't want to fix the problem which would actually require them to replace that crap engine.
1000 miles a quart is not accetable to Porsche.
We have 2 (and I've had others) currently and neither of them require oil between yearly changes (7000miles on the Boxster with 93 THOUSAND miles and 8-10k on the Cayenne). Both the Cayenne and the Boxster required maybe half a quart between changes until they hit 20-25k miles - FYI. Additionally, the 'box' holds 9 quarts so, a quart down is not as significant as it is in the Mini with it's MINIscule oil pan...
Porsche also supplies a READABLE dipstick AND a dash guage (or at least they did on our cars).
Given the speed with which Minis burn oil - a dash guage should be provided.
I check the Mini's oil once a week, it's about 1 3rd of a quart down this morning - last week was a heavy week - 300 miles. Car has 40k miles, new turbo, new timing chain, new valve cover seals...Craven dipstick is next on my list.
We like our 2008 Clubman but... When people ask me if the Boxster or the Cayenne require a lot of maintenance, I just laugh. Not trying to compare Apples and Androids - just saying.
Last edited by Lemmy Caution; 07-02-2012 at 01:41 PM.
#14
Well you are very incorrect with that statement.
In fact Porsche states for at least the 911, 996, Panamera, and Cayenne can use 1 liter per 1000 kilometers which relates to 1.056 quarts per 621.56 miles.
Which if you look at that is worse than 1 quart per 1000 miles.
Now if you dont believe me go ask any Porsche dealer and well also read the owners manual where it talks about oil consumption. They even put it in writing.
Now that is not to say that all Prosche's use that much oil but that it is acceptable to do so.
In fact Porsche states for at least the 911, 996, Panamera, and Cayenne can use 1 liter per 1000 kilometers which relates to 1.056 quarts per 621.56 miles.
Which if you look at that is worse than 1 quart per 1000 miles.
Now if you dont believe me go ask any Porsche dealer and well also read the owners manual where it talks about oil consumption. They even put it in writing.
Now that is not to say that all Prosche's use that much oil but that it is acceptable to do so.
#15
Well you are very incorrect with that statement.
In fact Porsche states for at least the 911, 996, Panamera, and Cayenne can use 1 liter per 1000 kilometers which relates to 1.056 quarts per 621.56 miles.
Which if you look at that is worse than 1 quart per 1000 miles.
Now if you dont believe me go ask any Porsche dealer and well also read the owners manual where it talks about oil consumption. They even put it in writing.
Now that is not to say that all Prosche's use that much oil but that it is acceptable to do so.
In fact Porsche states for at least the 911, 996, Panamera, and Cayenne can use 1 liter per 1000 kilometers which relates to 1.056 quarts per 621.56 miles.
Which if you look at that is worse than 1 quart per 1000 miles.
Now if you dont believe me go ask any Porsche dealer and well also read the owners manual where it talks about oil consumption. They even put it in writing.
Now that is not to say that all Prosche's use that much oil but that it is acceptable to do so.
This is what is says in the 911 owners manual.
Engine Oil
It is important to perform oil changes regularly in
accordance with the intervals specified in the
“Maintenance” booklet.
Engine oil consumption
It is normal for your engine to consume oil.
The rate of oil consumption depends on the quality
and viscosity of oil, the speed at which the engine
is operated, the climate, road conditions as well
as the amount of dilution and oxidation of the
lubricant.
If the vehicle is used for repeated short trips, and
consumes a normal amount of oil, the engine oil
measurement may not show any drop in the oil
level at all, even after 600 miles (1,000 km) or
more. This is because the oil is gradually becoming
diluted with fuel or moisture, making it appear
that the oil level has not changed.
The diluting ingredients evaporate out when the
vehicle is driven at high speeds, as on an expressway,
making it then appear that oil is excessively
consumed after driving at high speeds.
If the conditions you drive your vehicle in are
dusty, humid, or hot, the frequency of the oil
change intervals should be greater.
If the vehicle is driven at a high rate of speed,
climatic conditions are warm, and the load is high,
the oil should be checked more frequently, as
driving conditions will determine the rate of oil
consumption.
– The engine in your vehicle depends on oil to
lubricate and cool all of its moving parts.
Therefore, the engine oil should be checked
regularly and kept at the required level.
– Make it a habit to have the engine oil level
checked at every fuel filling.
– The oil pressure warning light is not an oil level
indicator.
The oil pressure warning light indicates serious
engine damage may be occuring when lit, if engine
rpm is above idle speed.
It is important to perform oil changes regularly in
accordance with the intervals specified in the
“Maintenance” booklet.
Engine oil consumption
It is normal for your engine to consume oil.
The rate of oil consumption depends on the quality
and viscosity of oil, the speed at which the engine
is operated, the climate, road conditions as well
as the amount of dilution and oxidation of the
lubricant.
If the vehicle is used for repeated short trips, and
consumes a normal amount of oil, the engine oil
measurement may not show any drop in the oil
level at all, even after 600 miles (1,000 km) or
more. This is because the oil is gradually becoming
diluted with fuel or moisture, making it appear
that the oil level has not changed.
The diluting ingredients evaporate out when the
vehicle is driven at high speeds, as on an expressway,
making it then appear that oil is excessively
consumed after driving at high speeds.
If the conditions you drive your vehicle in are
dusty, humid, or hot, the frequency of the oil
change intervals should be greater.
If the vehicle is driven at a high rate of speed,
climatic conditions are warm, and the load is high,
the oil should be checked more frequently, as
driving conditions will determine the rate of oil
consumption.
– The engine in your vehicle depends on oil to
lubricate and cool all of its moving parts.
Therefore, the engine oil should be checked
regularly and kept at the required level.
– Make it a habit to have the engine oil level
checked at every fuel filling.
– The oil pressure warning light is not an oil level
indicator.
The oil pressure warning light indicates serious
engine damage may be occuring when lit, if engine
rpm is above idle speed.
#16
New Porsche 987 and 997 onward since 2005 do not have dip sticks, only the in dash interval oil level reader.
The Porsche dealer also has verbally told me that 1 Qt per 1000 miles of oil consumption is within the specifications, (especially for their flat 6 boxster engine). My Mini dealer also echo that same statement.
The Porsche dealer also has verbally told me that 1 Qt per 1000 miles of oil consumption is within the specifications, (especially for their flat 6 boxster engine). My Mini dealer also echo that same statement.
#19
Well you are very incorrect with that statement.
In fact Porsche states for at least the 911, 996, Panamera, and Cayenne can use 1 liter per 1000 kilometers which relates to 1.056 quarts per 621.56 miles.
Which if you look at that is worse than 1 quart per 1000 miles.
Now if you dont believe me go ask any Porsche dealer and well also read the owners manual where it talks about oil consumption. They even put it in writing.
Now that is not to say that all Prosche's use that much oil but that it is acceptable to do so.
In fact Porsche states for at least the 911, 996, Panamera, and Cayenne can use 1 liter per 1000 kilometers which relates to 1.056 quarts per 621.56 miles.
Which if you look at that is worse than 1 quart per 1000 miles.
Now if you dont believe me go ask any Porsche dealer and well also read the owners manual where it talks about oil consumption. They even put it in writing.
Now that is not to say that all Prosche's use that much oil but that it is acceptable to do so.
See these links:
911 - http://www.porscheownersmanuals.com/...Technical-data
Cayman - http://www.porscheownersmanuals.com/...Technical-data
Boxster - http://www.porscheownersmanuals.com/...Technical-data
Cayenne - http://www.porscheownersmanuals.com/...il-Consumption
Panamera - http://www.porscheownersmanuals.com/...il-Consumption
This is what is says in the 911 owners manual.
It is important to perform oil changes regularly in
accordance with the intervals specified in the
“Maintenance” booklet.
Engine oil consumption
It is normal for your engine to consume oil.
The rate of oil consumption depends on the quality
and viscosity of oil, the speed at which the engine
is operated, the climate, road conditions as well
as the amount of dilution and oxidation of the
lubricant.
If the vehicle is used for repeated short trips, and
consumes a normal amount of oil, the engine oil
measurement may not show any drop in the oil
level at all, even after 600 miles (1,000 km) or
more. This is because the oil is gradually becoming
diluted with fuel or moisture, making it appear
that the oil level has not changed.
The diluting ingredients evaporate out when the
vehicle is driven at high speeds, as on an expressway,
making it then appear that oil is excessively
consumed after driving at high speeds.
If the conditions you drive your vehicle in are
dusty, humid, or hot, the frequency of the oil
change intervals should be greater.
If the vehicle is driven at a high rate of speed,
climatic conditions are warm, and the load is high,
the oil should be checked more frequently, as
driving conditions will determine the rate of oil
consumption.
– The engine in your vehicle depends on oil to
lubricate and cool all of its moving parts.
Therefore, the engine oil should be checked
regularly and kept at the required level.
– Make it a habit to have the engine oil level
checked at every fuel filling.
– The oil pressure warning light is not an oil level
indicator.
The oil pressure warning light indicates serious
engine damage may be occuring when lit, if engine
rpm is above idle speed.
accordance with the intervals specified in the
“Maintenance” booklet.
Engine oil consumption
It is normal for your engine to consume oil.
The rate of oil consumption depends on the quality
and viscosity of oil, the speed at which the engine
is operated, the climate, road conditions as well
as the amount of dilution and oxidation of the
lubricant.
If the vehicle is used for repeated short trips, and
consumes a normal amount of oil, the engine oil
measurement may not show any drop in the oil
level at all, even after 600 miles (1,000 km) or
more. This is because the oil is gradually becoming
diluted with fuel or moisture, making it appear
that the oil level has not changed.
The diluting ingredients evaporate out when the
vehicle is driven at high speeds, as on an expressway,
making it then appear that oil is excessively
consumed after driving at high speeds.
If the conditions you drive your vehicle in are
dusty, humid, or hot, the frequency of the oil
change intervals should be greater.
If the vehicle is driven at a high rate of speed,
climatic conditions are warm, and the load is high,
the oil should be checked more frequently, as
driving conditions will determine the rate of oil
consumption.
– The engine in your vehicle depends on oil to
lubricate and cool all of its moving parts.
Therefore, the engine oil should be checked
regularly and kept at the required level.
– Make it a habit to have the engine oil level
checked at every fuel filling.
– The oil pressure warning light is not an oil level
indicator.
The oil pressure warning light indicates serious
engine damage may be occuring when lit, if engine
rpm is above idle speed.
http://techinfo.subaru.com/proxy/693...BE-Ball_12.pdf
#20
Mr Moderator make my thread a sticky to get the Word out
Click on the link; your breather got gummed up ,now your carboning up your intake valves with your expensive oil.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-and-more.html
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-and-more.html
#21
well actually it does not say what i stated it says it can use more than what i stated.
See these links:
911 - http://www.porscheownersmanuals.com/...Technical-data
Cayman - http://www.porscheownersmanuals.com/...Technical-data
Boxster - http://www.porscheownersmanuals.com/...Technical-data
Cayenne - http://www.porscheownersmanuals.com/...il-Consumption
Panamera - http://www.porscheownersmanuals.com/...il-Consumption
Yes it does say that in one part of the manual. but in another is does state that it can use up to 1.5 ltr per 1000 km or 1.6 qrts per 622 miles which is actually more than what i had originally stated.
And on your Subaru check this document (part of the online owners manual for a 2010 Forester) it states If the oil consumption rate seems abnormally high after break -in period, for example more than 1 quart per 1200 miles or 1 liter per 2000 km, contact your Subaru dealer. It is on page 11-8
http://techinfo.subaru.com/proxy/693...BE-Ball_12.pdf
See these links:
911 - http://www.porscheownersmanuals.com/...Technical-data
Cayman - http://www.porscheownersmanuals.com/...Technical-data
Boxster - http://www.porscheownersmanuals.com/...Technical-data
Cayenne - http://www.porscheownersmanuals.com/...il-Consumption
Panamera - http://www.porscheownersmanuals.com/...il-Consumption
Yes it does say that in one part of the manual. but in another is does state that it can use up to 1.5 ltr per 1000 km or 1.6 qrts per 622 miles which is actually more than what i had originally stated.
And on your Subaru check this document (part of the online owners manual for a 2010 Forester) it states If the oil consumption rate seems abnormally high after break -in period, for example more than 1 quart per 1200 miles or 1 liter per 2000 km, contact your Subaru dealer. It is on page 11-8
http://techinfo.subaru.com/proxy/693...BE-Ball_12.pdf
#22
Well you are very incorrect with that statement.
In fact Porsche states for at least the 911, 996, Panamera, and Cayenne can use 1 liter per 1000 kilometers which relates to 1.056 quarts per 621.56 miles.
Which if you look at that is worse than 1 quart per 1000 miles.
Now if you dont believe me go ask any Porsche dealer and well also read the owners manual where it talks about oil consumption. They even put it in writing.
Now that is not to say that all Prosche's use that much oil but that it is acceptable to do so.
In fact Porsche states for at least the 911, 996, Panamera, and Cayenne can use 1 liter per 1000 kilometers which relates to 1.056 quarts per 621.56 miles.
Which if you look at that is worse than 1 quart per 1000 miles.
Now if you dont believe me go ask any Porsche dealer and well also read the owners manual where it talks about oil consumption. They even put it in writing.
Now that is not to say that all Prosche's use that much oil but that it is acceptable to do so.
#23
Thanks
Well you are very incorrect with that statement.
In fact Porsche states for at least the 911, 996, Panamera, and Cayenne can use 1 liter per 1000 kilometers which relates to 1.056 quarts per 621.56 miles.
Which if you look at that is worse than 1 quart per 1000 miles.
Now if you dont believe me go ask any Porsche dealer and well also read the owners manual where it talks about oil consumption. They even put it in writing.
Now that is not to say that all Prosche's use that much oil but that it is acceptable to do so.
In fact Porsche states for at least the 911, 996, Panamera, and Cayenne can use 1 liter per 1000 kilometers which relates to 1.056 quarts per 621.56 miles.
Which if you look at that is worse than 1 quart per 1000 miles.
Now if you dont believe me go ask any Porsche dealer and well also read the owners manual where it talks about oil consumption. They even put it in writing.
Now that is not to say that all Prosche's use that much oil but that it is acceptable to do so.
Rather than risk starting another link war - I'll leave it at:
Anecdotal evidence gathered here and from 3 other Mini driving friends indicates that Minis have an above average appetite for oil and that the dipstick needs to be augmented by a dash guage. Period.
Last edited by Lemmy Caution; 07-05-2012 at 07:24 PM.
#24
Here is my $.02. The MINI is a 1.6 Liter turnocharged or NA engine. The S makes (stock) 107HP per liter. If our cars were a big block V8 they would be making 600+ HP. These motors are very picky and I beleive that the recommended 0W-30 motor oil is the culprit of oil consuption. I see Oil temps of 230 degrees F on a regular basis. You are taking an exremely thin motor oil and making it even thinner at operating temps. My car get tracked a lot, and just generally driven hard on the autobahn. During track season I run Castrol 10W-30 for the high temps of racing, and in the winter I run 0W-30 to deal with the average below freezing temps. Running these weights I see very little to No oil consumption. On the subject of the dip stick: A german MINI tech put it the best i have heard yet "If the indicator peice is not covered in oil from top to bottom you are running low" see Image.
-Brian
-Brian
Last edited by Sacred Disorder; 07-06-2012 at 04:04 AM.
#25
(Note - this is a reply to the poster to whom you replied... )
1000 miles a quart is not accetable to Porsche.
We have 2 (and I've had others) currently and neither of them require oil between yearly changes (7000miles on the Boxster with 93 THOUSAND miles and 8-10k on the Cayenne). Both the Cayenne and the Boxster required maybe half a quart between changes until they hit 20-25k miles - FYI. Additionally, the 'box' holds 9 quarts so, a quart down is not as significant as it is in the Mini with it's MINIscule oil pan...
Porsche also supplies a READABLE dipstick AND a dash guage (or at least they did on our cars).
Given the speed with which Minis burn oil - a dash guage should be provided.
I check the Mini's oil once a week, it's about 1 3rd of a quart down this morning - last week was a heavy week - 300 miles. Car has 40k miles, new turbo, new timing chain, new valve cover seals...Craven dipstick is next on my list.
We like our 2008 Clubman but... When people ask me if the Boxster or the Cayenne require a lot of maintenance, I just laugh. Not trying to compare Apples and Androids - just saying.
1000 miles a quart is not accetable to Porsche.
We have 2 (and I've had others) currently and neither of them require oil between yearly changes (7000miles on the Boxster with 93 THOUSAND miles and 8-10k on the Cayenne). Both the Cayenne and the Boxster required maybe half a quart between changes until they hit 20-25k miles - FYI. Additionally, the 'box' holds 9 quarts so, a quart down is not as significant as it is in the Mini with it's MINIscule oil pan...
Porsche also supplies a READABLE dipstick AND a dash guage (or at least they did on our cars).
Given the speed with which Minis burn oil - a dash guage should be provided.
I check the Mini's oil once a week, it's about 1 3rd of a quart down this morning - last week was a heavy week - 300 miles. Car has 40k miles, new turbo, new timing chain, new valve cover seals...Craven dipstick is next on my list.
We like our 2008 Clubman but... When people ask me if the Boxster or the Cayenne require a lot of maintenance, I just laugh. Not trying to compare Apples and Androids - just saying.
I also agree that the oil type and grade are relivent as are the driving habits of the owners. I, for example, always drive the Boxster hard but I also never drive the car in extreme weather - hot or cold. The Cayene on the other hand is driven in all weather but almost never driven what I would call hard. All cars are garaged in an attached garage - read never gets below freezing.
Our Clubman's are driven differently from each other as I drive the JCW's with gusto while my 17 year old Daughter drives her S with mostly caution - I hope :-). Interestingly both engins seem to burn oil at the same rate. I believe the JCW engine is build in Germany and the S engine is built in France suggesting it is more the design than who built the engines.
My bottom line reading through this thread is that 1 Qt. seems excessive given your cars relatively low mileage and add to this the fact that your problem just happened after a repair so it all adds up to me that the dealer inserted a oil burning flaw when he cracked the engine.
I am sure that all makes and models of cars have some variability in oil consumption and burning a Qt every 1000 miles is not a killer defect - but the risk is you forget to check the oil frequently enough and do some major damage. My wife, for one, never checks her oil - frankly the thought never enters her head so a car that burned this much oil for her would be a disaster waiting to happen as she would at some point simply run out of oil - likely far from home :-)
Just my 2 cents worth.