R56 07 Now or wait for 08?
#51
06-29-2007, 09:59 PM
Yeah I want an R56 so bad but I'm going to wait a little bit for all the kinks to be worked out and the new JCW.
#52
06-30-2007, 02:43 PM
JohnBLZ, Ken Cooper (some free time on your hands?), LynEl, rattmobbins, and anybody else compelled to criticize those that don't want DSC...this isn't a vintage Porsche 911 or Corvair with a tendency to oversteer. A FWD car with sticky tires and relatively low horsepower is not hard to control, especially for those of us in dry climates (those without the ability should enroll in a HPDE course ASAP). However, BMW's DSC systems are extremely conservative (note it's one of three items listed in C&D's 'cons' column in its Mini comparison) and, IMO from four years with an E46 M3, unsafe when engine power is cut abruptly in completely benign situations.
*Flips switch*
Problem solved.
*wipes sweat from brow*
#53
06-30-2007, 03:40 PM
JohnBLZ, Ken Cooper (some free time on your hands?), LynEl, rattmobbins, and anybody else compelled to criticize those that don't want DSC...this isn't a vintage Porsche 911 or Corvair with a tendency to oversteer. A FWD car with sticky tires and relatively low horsepower is not hard to control, especially for those of us in dry climates (those without the ability should enroll in a HPDE course ASAP). However, BMW's DSC systems are extremely conservative (note it's one of three items listed in C&D's 'cons' column in its Mini comparison) and, IMO from four years with an E46 M3, unsafe when engine power is cut abruptly in completely benign situations.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...-cooper-s.html
The big mistake I think is having Traction Control tied in with Stability Control. It would be interesting if we could disable one or the other or both. I've read complaints on traction control that mirror what is described in this comparo.
Last edited by Ken Cooper; 06-30-2007 at 03:52 PM.
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07-02-2007, 11:37 AM
#55
07-02-2007, 11:42 AM
Exactly. If properly designed, stability/traction control is a great safety device AND not intrusive during spirited driving. However, I'm not going to buy a car for with a poor system requiring me to switch off DSC+T every time I start it to avoid frustration.
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07-02-2007, 11:57 AM
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07-02-2007, 12:05 PM
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The 2010 model will use a Fusion power plant. A can of beer will get you about 25000 miles.
Of course the argument in 2010 will be, "What brand beer to use in your min?" OR worse, "Light beer or dark beer"?
And of course, there will be the oddball "Can I use Wheat beer?"
Of course the argument in 2010 will be, "What brand beer to use in your min?" OR worse, "Light beer or dark beer"?
And of course, there will be the oddball "Can I use Wheat beer?"
Is it too late to cancel my order and wait for the '10 model??!!:impatient
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07-02-2007, 01:38 PM
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#63
07-02-2007, 02:01 PM
I'm not against stability control; I'm against a poorly designed system. I am not alone with the opinion that BMW/Mini's stability control system is too conservative, overreacting to wheel slip before the driver is even aware of it. That's great in a minivan...not in a car with tossable handling and driver involvement as its (arguably) primary focus.
Yes, it can be turned off. However, I am not one to disable safety devices if they're there...with the BMWs I've had before, I only disabled DSC on the track, and cursed it on the streets. Hopefully it will still be an option on the Mini in 2008, and if it isn't, that the system is revised to not be so intrusive.
Yes, it can be turned off. However, I am not one to disable safety devices if they're there...with the BMWs I've had before, I only disabled DSC on the track, and cursed it on the streets. Hopefully it will still be an option on the Mini in 2008, and if it isn't, that the system is revised to not be so intrusive.
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