R56 What socket? Subtitled:(Peugeot/Citroen strikes again!)
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What socket? Subtitled:(Peugeot/Citroen strikes again!)
I was under the bonnett, getting familiar with my R56 and pulled a couple plug wires off to have a look at the wells for the spark plugs. None of this is alien territory for me; I'm comfortable poking around and seeing what, if anything needs to be added to my tool cage.
I cleared the insulator boots and looky here! Spark plugs with many, many lands instead of the usual hexagon. Damn.
So, my question is to my fellow technicians: what's the special socket I need and has anyone sourced one yet? If so, who was the vendor? I've got a lifetime's investment in Snap-On, but I ain't got this socket (and apparantly, neither does Snap-On!).
I cleared the insulator boots and looky here! Spark plugs with many, many lands instead of the usual hexagon. Damn.
So, my question is to my fellow technicians: what's the special socket I need and has anyone sourced one yet? If so, who was the vendor? I've got a lifetime's investment in Snap-On, but I ain't got this socket (and apparantly, neither does Snap-On!).
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Yeah CM, I know...."Lifetime Warranty"..."You'll never need to change them"..."30K between oil changes"... blah, blah, blah. Is it just me, or is anyone else sceptical of longevity claims? I know there's a lot of embelishments in this type of stuff (mostly coming from Marketing Depts.) and I generally don't trust manufacturers guidelines. I take stated service interval and divide by two. That gives me a comfort zone.
I know quality of manufacture for most stuff is better than ever and lubricants are doing things never imagined 30 years ago, BUT...I spent a nice chunk of money for my car, I give a ***** about how it's maintained and I do my own work when ever possible because I can and I care (and I set the "quality bar" high for myself). So when I open a service schedule and get the "Renew spark plugs @ 60,000 miles" I usually just chuckle.
I won't be putting 15K on my engine oil either. It's contrary to my religious beliefs.
I know quality of manufacture for most stuff is better than ever and lubricants are doing things never imagined 30 years ago, BUT...I spent a nice chunk of money for my car, I give a ***** about how it's maintained and I do my own work when ever possible because I can and I care (and I set the "quality bar" high for myself). So when I open a service schedule and get the "Renew spark plugs @ 60,000 miles" I usually just chuckle.
I won't be putting 15K on my engine oil either. It's contrary to my religious beliefs.
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I understand the concern for wanting to work on the car, but with 10k miles it is WAY premature to change plugs (I'm presuming you haven't eclipsed 10k but please correct me if I'm wrong). Anyway, I'm anxious to hear what plug wrench it takes. Please keep us posted.
My Z3's OEM Iridium plugs went the 100k they were supposed to. And when I pulled them out they were in good shape with only a bit of discoloration on 2. They really lasted really well. When I replaced them with platinums they went far less (about 40k). We throw enough crap away in this world without at least considering that engineers can actually outdo themselves and create a better mousetrap. I've also been doing full synthetic oil changes on the engine at the car inspired designations, though they're far beyond the "change your oil and filter every 3k" that many swear by. Closer to 11k. And it's run beautifully for 152k so far.
My Z3's OEM Iridium plugs went the 100k they were supposed to. And when I pulled them out they were in good shape with only a bit of discoloration on 2. They really lasted really well. When I replaced them with platinums they went far less (about 40k). We throw enough crap away in this world without at least considering that engineers can actually outdo themselves and create a better mousetrap. I've also been doing full synthetic oil changes on the engine at the car inspired designations, though they're far beyond the "change your oil and filter every 3k" that many swear by. Closer to 11k. And it's run beautifully for 152k so far.
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Hi Karl - I'm not in any hurry to change them out (just rolled 1300 miles); just want to have the socket in my box when the time comes to pull and read them. I have a world of other things that monopolize my time (a 4 y/o son can yeild more BHp than many internal combustion engines! ) As soon as I find a vendor and a spec for the socket, i'll post it here.
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You've seen 6 point sockets. Have you seen 12 point sockets? They fit normal nuts & bolts, like they're overlayed, so you can rotate the socket 30 degrees instead of 60 degrees to the next position. That's so you can work in more limited space-the arc to the next position is smaller.
I've seen a couple other 12pt bolts on the car. They used to be aerospace only. Seem to be getting more common. I hadn't seen a 12pt sparkplug before.
(from a random place to show you a 6-pt and 12-pt socket)
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/...25-_-100007822
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/...de=cii_1038957
The front cover of this catalog shows a 12pt bolt
http://www.arp-bolts.com/Catalog/Cat...ARPCatalog.pdf
I've seen a couple other 12pt bolts on the car. They used to be aerospace only. Seem to be getting more common. I hadn't seen a 12pt sparkplug before.
(from a random place to show you a 6-pt and 12-pt socket)
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/...25-_-100007822
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/...de=cii_1038957
The front cover of this catalog shows a 12pt bolt
http://www.arp-bolts.com/Catalog/Cat...ARPCatalog.pdf
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Here's a socket. Official BMW tool is 14mm 12pt. Other than a BMW tool, or this one, I tried Sears, Matco, Snap-On and couldn't find any.
http://www.asttool.com/detail_page.p...stype=advanced
That even has a picture of the spark plug!
http://www.asttool.com/detail_page.p...stype=advanced
That even has a picture of the spark plug!
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Here's a socket on ebay-might work (bi-hexagon=12pt=12 point)
http://cgi.ebay.com/FRANKLIN-M8-14mm...QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/FRANKLIN-M8-14mm...QQcmdZViewItem
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RealOem says: (these are the spark plugs, not the sockets to get them out)
Beru 12ZR65SP03 for the 07 Cooper
NGK ILZKBR7A-8G for the 07 Cooper S
not in NGK's data bases yet, nor anywhere else I looked so far.
I stand corrected (at least for the Beru plug)
http://www.beru.com/english/produkte...&action=step04
Beru 12ZR65SP03 for the 07 Cooper
NGK ILZKBR7A-8G for the 07 Cooper S
not in NGK's data bases yet, nor anywhere else I looked so far.
I stand corrected (at least for the Beru plug)
http://www.beru.com/english/produkte...&action=step04
Last edited by cristo; 07-03-2007 at 04:07 PM. Reason: why not
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First, what is a "sparkplug"??
Second, are you telling me the bonet (whatever that is!!) on the Mini Cooper OPENS??? Wait a second!!! If I am reading this correct, you can actually OPEN the bonet, and see "things" under it that make the car go???? That is amazing, BUT, I'll leave that to the folks that have seen it before. Are you folks sure the motor on the Mini is in the front, and not the back??? ;-) (oh, sorry, I mean boot!)
PS - I always did my own maintenance, and most repairs on all my cars, trucks and boats, until about 5 years ago when everythng was instead of just suplimented with computers and electronics, is now ALL computers and electronics. I now leave it to the guys who do it all day wrong(oops, I mean LONG), and have the correct tools. I haven't even been able to locate the spark plugs on my wifes Audi A8. I'm not convinced there are any!! Glo plugs?? Who knows...? Anyway, you get the point. I'd let em do it.
Second, are you telling me the bonet (whatever that is!!) on the Mini Cooper OPENS??? Wait a second!!! If I am reading this correct, you can actually OPEN the bonet, and see "things" under it that make the car go???? That is amazing, BUT, I'll leave that to the folks that have seen it before. Are you folks sure the motor on the Mini is in the front, and not the back??? ;-) (oh, sorry, I mean boot!)
PS - I always did my own maintenance, and most repairs on all my cars, trucks and boats, until about 5 years ago when everythng was instead of just suplimented with computers and electronics, is now ALL computers and electronics. I now leave it to the guys who do it all day wrong(oops, I mean LONG), and have the correct tools. I haven't even been able to locate the spark plugs on my wifes Audi A8. I'm not convinced there are any!! Glo plugs?? Who knows...? Anyway, you get the point. I'd let em do it.
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I think for R56 you need a dual-hexagon or 12pt 14mm
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