R56 Daytime Running Lights
#51
I'm a proponent of DRL, however, was disappointed to learn that with DRL programed on, all the lights were on. As jw34 mentioned, the worst part was that there was no way to turn off the lights while parked with the engine running. Sometimes you got to have those lights off.
#52
Of course they are. Now if you want to deal with semantics then you are correct, motorcycles (the physical shape and size) aren't as noticeable. But with lights on, be it a motorcycle or a car, you are going to see it. It matters not whether it's a motorcycle or a car if you are at a stop and a light on a vehicle is coming toward you at a crossroad. You are going to stop or certainly exercise more care in pulling out. The whole point of lights on during the daytime is to be seen as gaston pointed out.
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#53
#54
I can't find that in the current DMV handbook for Cali.
In fact .. I do find on page 41.
DRIVING IN DARKNESS
Drive more slowly at night because
you cannot see as far ahead and
you have less time to stop for a
hazard. Make sure you can stop
within the distance lighted by your headlights.
Use your low beam headlights at
night when it rains. Don’t drive
with only your parking lights on.
Oh and this is on the same page a little further up ...
Never drive with just your
parking or fog lights.
Personally, I never have my lights on unless conditions warrant them. If visibility is good, I should be able to see you sans driving lights. If I can't then I probably would need to get my eyes checked![Smilie](https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
In fact .. I do find on page 41.
DRIVING IN DARKNESS
Drive more slowly at night because
you cannot see as far ahead and
you have less time to stop for a
hazard. Make sure you can stop
within the distance lighted by your headlights.
Use your low beam headlights at
night when it rains. Don’t drive
with only your parking lights on.
Oh and this is on the same page a little further up ...
Never drive with just your
parking or fog lights.
Personally, I never have my lights on unless conditions warrant them. If visibility is good, I should be able to see you sans driving lights. If I can't then I probably would need to get my eyes checked
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If you want to chance it and drive with your lights off because you're too cheap to buy some new bulbs every 4+ years, that's your choice.
My only beef with traditional DRL's is that you get people driving around at dusk and in poor weather with only their headlights on, it doesn't do much to light up your car from all the other directions.
From years of riding and having been hit by plenty of motorists I can tell you the first words out of everyone's mouths is "Oh I didn't even see you"...
#55
Behind the fog light lens there are two bulbs. The top one seems to come on when you turn the lights on. Why can't that be the DRL? That would make some sense. Personally I don't feel the MINI has DRLs. What is has is a programmable setting to "turn the lights on when the car is on". This is lame. I still set this to on and I have Xenons. It does help people see you.
#56
I've always felt that in order to get your license you must take the weekend MSF course. You'll notice bikes after that course even if you never go near another bike. I advise everyone to take it.
#57
I didn't find anything on this topic in the Vehicle Code, but I did come across on this very curious section that must be out of date or superceded by DOT regulations.
Running Lamps
25109. Any motor vehicle may be equipped with two white or amber running lamps mounted on the front, one at each side, which shall not be lighted during darkness except while the motor vehicle is parked.
Added Ch. 858, Stats. 1965. Effective September 17, 1965.
25109. Any motor vehicle may be equipped with two white or amber running lamps mounted on the front, one at each side, which shall not be lighted during darkness except while the motor vehicle is parked.
Added Ch. 858, Stats. 1965. Effective September 17, 1965.
#58
I also think it was quoted out of context. In any case, I think it was only stating a recommended practice (which is the case for much of the handbook) rather than describing what is legal. Here is the online handbook (and pdf).
I didn't find anything on this topic in the Vehicle Code, but I did come across on this very curious section that must be out of date or superceded by DOT regulations.
I didn't find anything on this topic in the Vehicle Code, but I did come across on this very curious section that must be out of date or superceded by DOT regulations.
However, the online Vehicle Code PDF (almost 1,000 pages) has this:
Lighted Parking Lamps
24800. No vehicle shall be driven at any time with the
parking lamps lighted except when the lamps are being used
as turn signal lamps or when the headlamps are also lighted.
Amended Ch. 58, Stats. 1961. Effective September 15, 1961.
Parking Lamps
24801. Parking lamps are those lamps permitted by
Section 25106, or any lamps mounted on the front of a vehicle,
designed to be displayed primarily when the vehicle is
parked.
24800. No vehicle shall be driven at any time with the
parking lamps lighted except when the lamps are being used
as turn signal lamps or when the headlamps are also lighted.
Amended Ch. 58, Stats. 1961. Effective September 15, 1961.
Parking Lamps
24801. Parking lamps are those lamps permitted by
Section 25106, or any lamps mounted on the front of a vehicle,
designed to be displayed primarily when the vehicle is
parked.
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Last edited by Robin Casady; 01-03-2008 at 10:07 PM. Reason: added link to California Vehicle Code
#59
Way to take things out of context there, your little quotes fall under the heading of "When driving in darkness", eg. When driving in darkness, don't drive with only your parking lights on.
If you want to chance it and drive with your lights off because you're too cheap to buy some new bulbs every 4+ years, that's your choice.
My only beef with traditional DRL's is that you get people driving around at dusk and in poor weather with only their headlights on, it doesn't do much to light up your car from all the other directions.
From years of riding and having been hit by plenty of motorists I can tell you the first words out of everyone's mouths is "Oh I didn't even see you"...
If you want to chance it and drive with your lights off because you're too cheap to buy some new bulbs every 4+ years, that's your choice.
My only beef with traditional DRL's is that you get people driving around at dusk and in poor weather with only their headlights on, it doesn't do much to light up your car from all the other directions.
From years of riding and having been hit by plenty of motorists I can tell you the first words out of everyone's mouths is "Oh I didn't even see you"...
As far as your accidents with motorists, sorry to hear that. I've been on a motorcycle exclusively for the past 8 months as my only mode of transportation in the San Jose area (yay for lots and lots of cars and terrible drivers). Good luck and be safe on your ride.
Last edited by jimmieshear; 01-03-2008 at 11:53 PM.
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Something's confusing me. I had a loaner R56 one night, and saw the lights come on as I turned on the ignition. They were barely dim enough to see with on the country road I drove, though. I had to physically HOLD the brights on to get any reasonable light, and that was because the brights wouldn't stay on using the usual forward detent position.
After I returned it, I realized that the DRLs must have been on and these are what I saw go on in the parking lot. So--question is, why would they have been so dim if all the lights go on with the DRLs? And why wouldn't the bright light control have worked in the usual position? I don't have the car now to test it, as it was a loaner, and the dealer said they were all right when I reported the problem, but it doesn't match up with what you all are saying.![Confused](https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif)
Hubby and I both breathed a real sigh of relief when we got home that night...
After I returned it, I realized that the DRLs must have been on and these are what I saw go on in the parking lot. So--question is, why would they have been so dim if all the lights go on with the DRLs? And why wouldn't the bright light control have worked in the usual position? I don't have the car now to test it, as it was a loaner, and the dealer said they were all right when I reported the problem, but it doesn't match up with what you all are saying.
![Confused](https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif)
Hubby and I both breathed a real sigh of relief when we got home that night...
#61
Something's confusing me. I had a loaner R56 one night, and saw the lights come on as I turned on the ignition. They were barely dim enough to see with on the country road I drove, though. I had to physically HOLD the brights on to get any reasonable light, and that was because the brights wouldn't stay on using the usual forward detent position.
After I returned it, I realized that the DRLs must have been on and these are what I saw go on in the parking lot. So--question is, why would they have been so dim if all the lights go on with the DRLs? And why wouldn't the bright light control have worked in the usual position? I don't have the car now to test it, as it was a loaner, and the dealer said they were all right when I reported the problem, but it doesn't match up with what you all are saying.![Confused](https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif)
Hubby and I both breathed a real sigh of relief when we got home that night...
After I returned it, I realized that the DRLs must have been on and these are what I saw go on in the parking lot. So--question is, why would they have been so dim if all the lights go on with the DRLs? And why wouldn't the bright light control have worked in the usual position? I don't have the car now to test it, as it was a loaner, and the dealer said they were all right when I reported the problem, but it doesn't match up with what you all are saying.
![Confused](https://www.northamericanmotoring.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif)
Hubby and I both breathed a real sigh of relief when we got home that night...
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It sounds like you had the parking lights on. They're the upper half of the fog lights. If your headlights weren't on, that explains why you couldn't keep your high beams on either. Did you try turning on the headlights using the **** on the end of the turn signals? The car may have had the parking lights on when it was last used. If they're left on they go off when you stop the engine and will automatically come back on when you restart it. That's the only explanation I can up with because the DRLs on R56s are just like your normal headlights.
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#64
From the rear, having the rear fogs on all the time has helped on a number of evenings in stop and go traffic, when the SUV driver behind me was too busy on his phone to stop in a normal fashion. The rear fogs are really bright and will light up signs behind the Mini at least a quarter mile away. Does nothing for daytime running, but they sure look cool!
#65
When I was learning to drive my mom made me turn on my headlights at all times, now its a habit to just cut them on when I get in the car. I just do that instead of DRLs. I don't have xenons so bulb life isn't that big of an issue for me. Plus you have to have headlights on with wipers so I don't have to worry about getting a ticket for that. I do notice that in Richmond a lot of other people have DRLs though.
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