R56 MINI Gets "KRINKED"
#26
Interesting effect, but it strikes me as more of an advertising stunt for the ink manufacturer, than a piece of art. Particularly since the ink manufacturer is using the video on their website that sells the ink.
I suppose, in a way, it becomes art when we start discussing if it IS art or not. I'm tempted to say that it cannot be art because any idiot can dribble ink down a car, but, on the other hand, since when has art been defined by it's technical difficulty? I may not get it, and I definitely don't like it, but I can't quite say it isn't art.
I suppose, in a way, it becomes art when we start discussing if it IS art or not. I'm tempted to say that it cannot be art because any idiot can dribble ink down a car, but, on the other hand, since when has art been defined by it's technical difficulty? I may not get it, and I definitely don't like it, but I can't quite say it isn't art.
#28
BUT..... though he may not have anything to say, it apparently makes a statement that we feel compelled to "critique" it thus rendering it as art, I guess.
What is that saying? Bad publicity is better than no publicity....
Mark
What is that saying? Bad publicity is better than no publicity....
Mark
#31
I think that's overly patronizing the graffiti genre. It has removed itself to some extent from the "ghetto culture" and made its way into galleries and museum all over the world. It holds more appeal as an art/aesthetic than it does as some style from "ghetto culture". I encourage you to check out any of the graffiti documetary DVD's to see that it really isn't just the ghetto vandal scribblings that people make it out to be.
The fact that it's a brand, that's it's being marketed, or has a decorative style isn't enough to prove that it's not art. Recently "design", "brand identity" and "marketing" have become a large part in some artists' work. Take a look at any of the interviews with Murakami where he talks about the roles of marketing and decorative style in art.
Like I said...it's rooted so deeply in philsophies, artist intentions, brand aesthetics, and his past background that it's hard not to write it off as "pretentious" but I don't think that makes it any less of a piece of "art". It's hardly any more pretentious than DuChamp's 'Fountain' or Craig Martin's 'An Oak Tree', both of which are respected pieces of art. (I'm not putting those pieces down...I respect them both as well)
I suppose, in a way, it becomes art when we start discussing if it IS art or not.
I'm tempted to say that it cannot be art because any idiot can dribble ink down a car, but, on the other hand, since when has art been defined by it's technical difficulty? I may not get it, and I definitely don't like it, but I can't quite say it isn't art.
The KRINKED MINI is pure advertising. I see no art in it.
#32
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I didn't mean to compare or liken them to the KRINK MINI on any level other than the "pretentiousness" we were discussing originally. I was simply comparing them on the level of pretentious nature to back up my original joke/statement that any art could be considered "pretentious". There's no doubt in my mind that either piece stands leagues above this MINI on any of the other levels.
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You might say my argument is weak but so is claiming anyone could do it is just as weak.
" It took me four years to paint like Raphael, but a lifetime to paint like a child. " Pablo Picasso
My point is that it can take next to nothing to make a piece that is interesting and the fact this whole thing has a sparked such a heated debate has a lot to say about the project...
" It took me four years to paint like Raphael, but a lifetime to paint like a child. " Pablo Picasso
My point is that it can take next to nothing to make a piece that is interesting and the fact this whole thing has a sparked such a heated debate has a lot to say about the project...
#46
This isn't art, it is a very well promoted decorative style that takes advantage of the affluent and middle class youth's obsession with ghetto culture. Take a look at: http://krink.com/
My impression that it is pretentious BS has been reinforced...
Since Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and "art" itself is a subjective concept I will throw my .02 in here by saying that IMO this Krinking seems to take very little talent to produce (other than the mixing of the paint) as the laws of physics (ie. Gravity) is the real artist here... Hard for me to even consider this as art.
#47
I was the same way for a while until I needed some drips in one of my paintings. Took quite a bit of work to get it to drip well enough while still looking so clean/opaque. Without trying it yourself, it's like sitting and watching an NFL game saying "Pfft...I can throw a football into an end zone too. That takes no talent."
#48
" It took me four years to paint like Raphael, but a lifetime to paint like a child. " Pablo Picasso
My point is that it can take next to nothing to make a piece that is interesting and the fact this whole thing has a sparked such a heated debate has a lot to say about the project...
+1 ... Agreed!
Since Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and "art" itself is a subjective concept I will throw my .02 in here by saying that IMO this Krinking seems to take very little talent to produce (other than the mixing of the paint) as the laws of physics (ie. Gravity) is the real artist here... Hard for me to even consider this as art.
Since Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and "art" itself is a subjective concept I will throw my .02 in here by saying that IMO this Krinking seems to take very little talent to produce (other than the mixing of the paint) as the laws of physics (ie. Gravity) is the real artist here... Hard for me to even consider this as art.
I think the problem is that it takes very little thought, and expresses very little. I don't car how easy or difficult it is, what, exactly, is KR trying to express? IMO, without expression, it is simply craft, not art.
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Honestly...I'd recommend you to try the mixing some yourself and creating a mop marker to get similar results for fun. See what kind of work goes into getting something to drip so successfully without hurting the opacity in any way. It's a skill in and of itself. I'm not saying that it validates it as art....just suggesting that you can't say that something requires "no talent" when you haven't given it a shot. I'm also not saying it takes a prodigy or anything, but it's hardly skill-less or talentless.
#49
OK, so KR is a skillful formulator of paints. So what? Nothing to do with whether it is art, or commercial promotion pretending to be art.
I still fail to see why it wouldn't be art, though. It's not GREAT art, and it doesn't say as much as other more successful art but it still seems like art to me.
I think the problem is that it takes very little thought, and expresses very little. I don't car how easy or difficult it is, what, exactly, is KR trying to express? IMO, without expression, it is simply craft, not art.
How is it any different than the "Art Car" Warhol did with BMW? That certainly took just as little skill and that was a BMW marketing campaign too...and yet it was openly received in the art community as an art car. I'm sure the expression being presented by warhol wasn't seen by some, just as you don't see it on the KRINK car.
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