R56 Mini cooper S(73mm turbo)
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Mini cooper S(73mm turbo)
I have a 2009 mini cooper s (stock) and am thinking about upgrading it but before i do i want to know if i could get a BorgWarner 73mm turbo in there and what upgrades i would have to do first to get to that point?
Last edited by Snakeeyeidk; 11-18-2015 at 06:10 PM. Reason: wanted to add a tag
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^+1 he is very right, such a small displacement engine wont be able to get the turbo to spool and minis are all about the handling not speed
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Displacement isn't an issue with spooling that turbo, what exhaust housing specs are you talking about? 73mm doesn't generalize a turbos comp housing and exhaust housing. The problem you run into with running a turbo of that size is fueling hard enough to spool it, E85/E98 would broaden your ability to run larger chargers, but you don't want to spend the money on an ethanol setup & tune.
If you are wanting to do a big turbo build, a MINI is the wrong platform to work with. As above stated these cars are more about handling than straight line power.
If you are wanting to do a big turbo build, a MINI is the wrong platform to work with. As above stated these cars are more about handling than straight line power.
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Not sure if the turbine housing question above was for me but I was referring to the twin scroll .80 A/R housing with a T4 flange. It is not normally listed by most websites as an option on the 6258 but it is. I tend to agree in principal on E85, but with our engines being oversquare I think people are going to run into fuel wash problems on the cylinder wall / rings when trying to push big numbers and probably end up settling on a 50/50 mix. On a side note the SEMA Hyundai Veloster 1.6L that made 370WHP with an EFR6258 was running VP 101 plus methanol.
For the OP attached is a dyno run on a 2.0L Miata with same tune and boost levels 17-18psi 6258 vs 6758. The same 58mm turbine wheel but the difference in inertia when going from a 62 to 67mm exducer on the comp wheel is kinda obvious. In the real world or on a track I know which one I want.
The other thing to consider when going to a larger compressor wheel is the torque necessary to maintain the same boost level. Generally a larger compressor can maintain the same pressure at a lower compressor RPM but this is offset to an extent by the resistance applied to the blade tips which are now further out. Think Archimedes. So balancing this load to your turbine wheel and the energy available to it is critical.
For the OP attached is a dyno run on a 2.0L Miata with same tune and boost levels 17-18psi 6258 vs 6758. The same 58mm turbine wheel but the difference in inertia when going from a 62 to 67mm exducer on the comp wheel is kinda obvious. In the real world or on a track I know which one I want.
The other thing to consider when going to a larger compressor wheel is the torque necessary to maintain the same boost level. Generally a larger compressor can maintain the same pressure at a lower compressor RPM but this is offset to an extent by the resistance applied to the blade tips which are now further out. Think Archimedes. So balancing this load to your turbine wheel and the energy available to it is critical.
Last edited by Tigger2011; 11-19-2015 at 01:00 PM.
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Originally Posted by nkfry
Displacement isn't an issue with spooling that turbo, what exhaust housing specs are you talking about? 73mm doesn't generalize a turbos comp housing and exhaust housing. The problem you run into with running a turbo of that size is fueling hard enough to spool it, E85/E98 would broaden your ability to run larger chargers, but you don't want to spend the money on an ethanol setup & tune.
If you are wanting to do a big turbo build, a MINI is the wrong platform to work with. As above stated these cars are more about handling than straight line power.
If you are wanting to do a big turbo build, a MINI is the wrong platform to work with. As above stated these cars are more about handling than straight line power.
They make maps/charts that tell you the proper size turbo for a given engine for a reason.
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Originally Posted by SPRINTCARS
Displacement is an issue. It would never spool up til after about and good 30 seconds.
They make maps/charts that tell you the proper size turbo for a given engine for a reason.
They make maps/charts that tell you the proper size turbo for a given engine for a reason.
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I understand sizing a charger to the engine, what we have yet to hear is the AR size of said charger OP wants to run, Borg Warner doesn't have a 73mm charger with an AR smaller than .83, so short of running some sort of hybrid setup as well as race fuel or ethanol there is no way that it would be streetable let alone make power on the dyno.
Owens has multiple frame size categories with over 10 chargers per category, so a more generalized size of your charger would explain how you are able to spool it.
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Variables, changes in dynamics. These are what is missing from what the OP posted, and these are what change the outcome of what works and what doesn't work..
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I had to cut out some of the hood "bracing" to get my GT2860 in there. A 73mm wheel is bound to need more space. As pointed out above, there's other "big" turbos available that should satisfy anyone's bolt-on power desires. Another consideration --- there's not much space left for a heat shield when using an oversized turbo. Expect things to melt, warp, distort, leak, etc. when going oversize and not shielding it.
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