R56 Will there be an '08 TD?
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Originally Posted by o-ron
There's the diesel in europe for the current gen, is there any plan for continuing a diesel engine for the new model?
I'm curious, because a turbo-diesel MINI with a modded turbo would be one sweet ride...
I'm curious, because a turbo-diesel MINI with a modded turbo would be one sweet ride...
I doubt MINI will introduce the diesel in the US because it would be VERBOTEN in the Peoples Republik of California.
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That would be kinda cool, try putting a veggie oil conversion in it
Diesels are OK I guess, although they'd have to change the gearing BIGtime. should be plenty of power and great gas mileage. Anyone got info?
There's only one thing I don't like about diesels...
*crank-crank-crank-crank crank... sputter...* Then... Massey Ferguson
Diesels are OK I guess, although they'd have to change the gearing BIGtime. should be plenty of power and great gas mileage. Anyone got info?
There's only one thing I don't like about diesels...
*crank-crank-crank-crank crank... sputter...* Then... Massey Ferguson
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Emissions keep diesels out of CA
Originally Posted by jibeho
I doubt MINI will introduce the diesel in the US because it would be VERBOTEN in the Peoples Republik of California.
The sulpher poisens the cats, and creates too much SO2....
Matt
But what really sucks is that I didn't real anything about the torque figures. Diesels are notoriously low on HP, but very high on torque...
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Just been reading up on ultra low sulpher diesel
and the transition is happening now. Refineries have to be at 15 ppm sulpher by June 1st, and the flush out of the delivery network should be complete by early Oct. Next year, ULSD should be available at all diesel filling stations in the US and Canada....
Why is this important? Turns out sulpher when passed through an oxidizing catalyst INCREASES particulate emissions. So when there's no sulpher, the particulates go down, and the newer emissions systems for diesel will last longer and work better. This is important because emissions systems have to carry a 100k mile warranty... So if they won't last, the car manufacturers won't sell them
Some other stuff I learned is that in CA alone, 300k barrels of oil a day reduction in consumption could be achieved. This is about 1/3rd of what ANWR could supply if tapped, so the potential for deisel is very, very large in the US.
Anyway, I hope that we get our crap together on this one. Stump pulling torque, and better overall energy efficiency would be bitchen!
Matt
Why is this important? Turns out sulpher when passed through an oxidizing catalyst INCREASES particulate emissions. So when there's no sulpher, the particulates go down, and the newer emissions systems for diesel will last longer and work better. This is important because emissions systems have to carry a 100k mile warranty... So if they won't last, the car manufacturers won't sell them
Some other stuff I learned is that in CA alone, 300k barrels of oil a day reduction in consumption could be achieved. This is about 1/3rd of what ANWR could supply if tapped, so the potential for deisel is very, very large in the US.
Anyway, I hope that we get our crap together on this one. Stump pulling torque, and better overall energy efficiency would be bitchen!
Matt
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I thought I was set on a MC but now want to get a MCS. A turbo diesel would be sooo sweet and be a good balance of fuel economy and performance for me. If I do pick up a used MINI, it would promply get traded in for a MC D, we can only hope.
Hybrids are not the answer just a bandaid to a bigger problem. Biodiesel turbines to harvest the crops to make biodiesel fuel to power our biodiesel MINIs would be a happy USA.
Hmm wish they could squeeze that Audi R10 V12 in a Mini.
Hybrids are not the answer just a bandaid to a bigger problem. Biodiesel turbines to harvest the crops to make biodiesel fuel to power our biodiesel MINIs would be a happy USA.
Hmm wish they could squeeze that Audi R10 V12 in a Mini.
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Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
but in 2008 (I think), the US is going to switch to low sulpher diesel, then all those cool European diesels have the potential to come over here. Could have been sooner, but than long-haul trucking for keeping the dirty diesel around longer....
The sulpher poisens the cats, and creates too much SO2....
Matt
But what really sucks is that I didn't real anything about the torque figures. Diesels are notoriously low on HP, but very high on torque...
The sulpher poisens the cats, and creates too much SO2....
Matt
But what really sucks is that I didn't real anything about the torque figures. Diesels are notoriously low on HP, but very high on torque...
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It's just math...
Originally Posted by Andrewsky
Yeah, diesels will never give you more of a kick than a comparable gas engine. The advantage is that you have torque throughout the entire rev range; you have more of a torque "line" than a torque "curve."
Matt
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http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/14/Auto...acer/index.htm
Originally Posted by Andrewsky
Yeah, diesels will never give you more of a kick than a comparable gas engine. The advantage is that you have torque throughout the entire rev range; you have more of a torque "line" than a torque "curve."
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Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
If you have twice the torque for half the RPMs, then you just change the final drive ratio and have the same performance. Diesel engines are just more energy efficient....
Matt
Matt
They're more energy efficient, but they don't rev as high.
Like I said: The advantage of diesels is that they make a consistent amount of torque across the rev range, they don't really make that much torque at one time, so gas engines will give you a bigger maximum kick when you accelerate (taking gearing into account of course).
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Doesn't have to be that way...
Originally Posted by Andrewsky
Gas engines usually have more max horsepower than Diesel engines.
They're more energy efficient, but they don't rev as high.
Like I said: The advantage of diesels is that they make a consistent amount of torque across the rev range, they don't really make that much torque at one time, so gas engines will give you a bigger maximum kick when you accelerate (taking gearing into account of course).
They're more energy efficient, but they don't rev as high.
Like I said: The advantage of diesels is that they make a consistent amount of torque across the rev range, they don't really make that much torque at one time, so gas engines will give you a bigger maximum kick when you accelerate (taking gearing into account of course).
Just because deisels haven't emphasized the performance end, doesn't mean they can't. There's a lot of technology that's coming to fruition now, that will really "turn on" the performacne deisel. Until now, in the US at least, deisels were used mostly in pickup trucks and long haul items (like locomotives and 18 wheelers) that don't have the same emissions requirements. Now that the particulate and other emissions systems are coming around, and the fueling at high pressure (Better, cleaner burn), then there will be nothing stopping the optimization of oil- burners for performance.
Up till now, there wasn't any reason to.
Matt
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Something to ponder... Compare how a deisel works compared to a gas motor.. high compression, direct cylinder injection. They have high torque at low rpm. Then look at the new mini motor: higher compression, direct cylinder injection. I wouldn't count on it and I'm not a deisel expert by any means, but i wouldn't be suprised if the new mini motor would be capable of running duel fuels with a bit of tweaking.
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Originally Posted by xianqi
Something to ponder... Compare how a deisel works compared to a gas motor.. high compression, direct cylinder injection. They have high torque at low rpm. Then look at the new mini motor: higher compression, direct cylinder injection. I wouldn't count on it and I'm not a deisel expert by any means, but i wouldn't be suprised if the new mini motor would be capable of running duel fuels with a bit of tweaking.
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Originally Posted by Andrewsky
Yeah, diesels will never give you more of a kick than a comparable gas engine. "
I installed a Greascar veggie oil kit:
http://www.greasecar.com
I get 42-44 mpg's (driving agressively), and it's FAST...tons of torque...and I burn used veggie oil for 50 cents/gallon.
Diesel engines can be GREAT.
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Originally Posted by Andrewsky
they don't really make that much torque at one time, so gas engines will give you a bigger maximum kick when you accelerate (taking gearing into account of course).
A gas engine may have a narrow band of more torque than a diesel, but that means it's a poorly designed gas engine...and in any case, if you compare to engines of equal displacement, I think think the turbo-diesel engine will out accelerate the gas engine every time, AND get 30% better mpg's.