R56 R53 versus R56... a visual study
#102
I think we'll all get where we won't hate the looks of the new car at some point, that being said, don't insult us with a phoney hood scoop! If all those eng. at BMW can't figure out how to make it actually function to the benefit of performance, leave it off. While I really like the look on our current car, as a performance enthusiast I'm embarrased that they put that on the car with no purpose! On the inside; I don't think I can ever warm up to the new dash if looks like the pre-prod. photos! It's lost the character of the current model. I haven't seen any real good shots of the seats, but the one I did see seems as they may have improved them, we'll see! Hope the stitching on the English Seats is better. I did like the toggle switches in the overhead console! As far as the new engine, only time will tell. I've owned a 280z turbo, Conquest TSi, 930 Turbo, 300ZX Twin Turbo and a Buick Limited T-Type and had good luck with all those motors, however I really liked the 5.0 GT car I built with a SC. I think a SC whine seems more pleasing to the ears, but thats me. Quality Control will be the "Name Of The Game" for the new car.
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Interesting evaluations of the 2007's. I went through the same thing when (the new) Triumph motorcycles went away from the georgeous T595/955i bodies (with the single sided swingarm) to the very-japanese looking angular 955i Daytona with the two-sided boxy rear end. This won't make any sence to those outside of the euro-sport bike community, but the bottom line is, I get it... but times change as do designs.
I'm still going to buy a 2007. I'm on the waiting list and waiting to solidify the details and accessories. There are a couple of things I don't like about the 2007 S pictured: Fake scoop!?! C'mon, make it do SOMETHING or get rid of it! Plus the winshield wiper tray on the new car looks cheesy.
I am willing to settle for these design two questionable charactoristics, though... especially when the suggested performace gains on the new, lighter TURBO car are looking pretty appealing.
I am however crossing my fingers that some restyling and re-enginering is done before the assembaly line starts cranking them out.
We'll see, I guess.
I'm still going to buy a 2007. I'm on the waiting list and waiting to solidify the details and accessories. There are a couple of things I don't like about the 2007 S pictured: Fake scoop!?! C'mon, make it do SOMETHING or get rid of it! Plus the winshield wiper tray on the new car looks cheesy.
I am willing to settle for these design two questionable charactoristics, though... especially when the suggested performace gains on the new, lighter TURBO car are looking pretty appealing.
I am however crossing my fingers that some restyling and re-enginering is done before the assembaly line starts cranking them out.
We'll see, I guess.
#108
I remember when the MINI was still in the "rumor" phase (2000?) and we were seeing possible styles before the offical release. The style I really liked (which knocked my socks off) was not the one chosen and while disappointed, I was still very pleased with the final result. Now that I can finally buy one, I'm choosing the 2007. I'm not thrilled with all the changes (ditto msh441, the hood scoop and wiper tray), the turbo with it's increased HP and MPG along with the front grille and rear bumper make this version very appealling to me. My name's on the list and I'll be one of the first group to get a 2007 MCS here in Bay Area.
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It doesn't look as bad now that all the masking tape is off. The headlightls are noticably rotated to the sides and the hoods doesn't have as many beautiful curves... It looks a little tall and bulbous... but none of it appears to be anything that a set of 18" BBS 2-piece rims and a 1-1 and 1/2 inch drop on Koni or H&R springs wont fix!
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#122
Originally Posted by camelpilot
This new car reminds me of the story of the Emporer's New Clothes.
CANT YOU PEOPLE SEE HOW HIDEOUS THIS CAR IS????
FOR THEM TO CALL IT THE SAME NAME AS MINE IS JUST BLASPHEMY!
CANT YOU PEOPLE SEE HOW HIDEOUS THIS CAR IS????
FOR THEM TO CALL IT THE SAME NAME AS MINE IS JUST BLASPHEMY!
In almost every way, this car seems to betray what the original design was about. The emphasis, (the INSISTENCE!), that every aspect of the car be changed, made bigger, wider, longer, etc., is so disturbing. I have never had the slightest issue with front seat room, (I am 6'2"), regardless of my passenger. Yet this new design team has tossed the interior with the charge to increase room in every direction, (and so doing, created a dash which I feel will become forgetable very quickly), enlarged the lights, (very ugly, particularly in the rear), blown up (and disturbed) its exterior proportions, and increased boot space. I DON'T NEED OR WANT increased boot space! The MINI is what it is! This team should have taken some time to try and UNDERSTAND the Mini heritage and what the car was created to accomplish! The R53 is already big enough, (and several years on, has been copied by so many manufacturers-- and in some cases, pretty well, too-- and is no longer the shortest/smallest car on the road as it was a couple of years back), adding to that is such a shame, and an ignorance of what made it so special, so appealing, (so British?), and yes, so cute, (even if that is not part of what an "S" owner is after!). The original design team endured endless work (and "combat" with the various safety/design engineering teams) to keep the new MINI as small as possible. Meanwhile, the "face" of the car is diminished, (comon, that's undeniable!!), the "grill" reduced, (what? shrink one of the most ichonic features of the car??), and looks cheapened by moving the running/turn indicators into the headlight cluster). The R56 seems so geared toward broadening the sales base of the car, and it will probably do that. For me, I am terribly sad at all this, I've owned two (02/05) and unfortunately cannot replace my current car now, there is not enough time.
No, camelpilot has this one accurately portrayed.
#123
Originally Posted by vladimir
Absolutely. I could not have said this better myself!
In almost every way, this car seems to betray what the original design was about. The emphasis, (the INSISTENCE!), that every aspect of the car be changed, made bigger, wider, longer, etc., is so disturbing. I have never had the slightest issue with front seat room, (I am 6'2"), regardless of my passenger. Yet this new design team has tossed the interior with the charge to increase room in every direction, (and so doing, created a dash which I feel will become forgetable very quickly), enlarged the lights, (very ugly, particularly in the rear), blown up (and disturbed) its exterior proportions, and increased boot space. I DON'T NEED OR WANT increased boot space! The MINI is what it is! This team should have taken some time to try and UNDERSTAND the Mini heritage and what the car was created to accomplish! The R53 is already big enough, (and several years on, has been copied by so many manufacturers-- and in some cases, pretty well, too-- and is no longer the shortest/smallest car on the road as it was a couple of years back), adding to that is such a shame, and an ignorance of what made it so special, so appealing, (so British?), and yes, so cute, (even if that is not part of what an "S" owner is after!). The original design team endured endless work (and "combat" with the various safety/design engineering teams) to keep the new MINI as small as possible. Meanwhile, the "face" of the car is diminished, (comon, that's undeniable!!), the "grill" reduced, (what? shrink one of the most ichonic features of the car??), and looks cheapened by moving the running/turn indicators into the headlight cluster). The R56 seems so geared toward broadening the sales base of the car, and it will probably do that. For me, I am terribly sad at all this, I've owned two (02/05) and unfortunately cannot replace my current car now, there is not enough time.
No, camelpilot has this one accurately portrayed.
In almost every way, this car seems to betray what the original design was about. The emphasis, (the INSISTENCE!), that every aspect of the car be changed, made bigger, wider, longer, etc., is so disturbing. I have never had the slightest issue with front seat room, (I am 6'2"), regardless of my passenger. Yet this new design team has tossed the interior with the charge to increase room in every direction, (and so doing, created a dash which I feel will become forgetable very quickly), enlarged the lights, (very ugly, particularly in the rear), blown up (and disturbed) its exterior proportions, and increased boot space. I DON'T NEED OR WANT increased boot space! The MINI is what it is! This team should have taken some time to try and UNDERSTAND the Mini heritage and what the car was created to accomplish! The R53 is already big enough, (and several years on, has been copied by so many manufacturers-- and in some cases, pretty well, too-- and is no longer the shortest/smallest car on the road as it was a couple of years back), adding to that is such a shame, and an ignorance of what made it so special, so appealing, (so British?), and yes, so cute, (even if that is not part of what an "S" owner is after!). The original design team endured endless work (and "combat" with the various safety/design engineering teams) to keep the new MINI as small as possible. Meanwhile, the "face" of the car is diminished, (comon, that's undeniable!!), the "grill" reduced, (what? shrink one of the most ichonic features of the car??), and looks cheapened by moving the running/turn indicators into the headlight cluster). The R56 seems so geared toward broadening the sales base of the car, and it will probably do that. For me, I am terribly sad at all this, I've owned two (02/05) and unfortunately cannot replace my current car now, there is not enough time.
No, camelpilot has this one accurately portrayed.
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#124
I personally love the present look which can never get old as we all know. I always aknowledge every Mini I see (which is a lot).. I also think the new look is sleeker and more modern looking. I have been holding off on the Mini since seeing the first 07' pics and will stand by this. But everyone has their own opinion's of course.