R56 R56 Wheels same spec as R53?
#1
02-07-2007, 09:37 AM
R56 Wheels same spec as R53?
Has it been verified that the R56 wheels are the same bolt pattern, hub, and offset as the R53 wheels?
If so, I'd like to be first in line to buy someone's take off 16" R56 MCS wheels. I think they are called 'sidewinders', and I think they'd look good on my R53.
If so, I'd like to be first in line to buy someone's take off 16" R56 MCS wheels. I think they are called 'sidewinders', and I think they'd look good on my R53.
#2
02-07-2007, 10:35 AM
Although I don't have a 100% positive answer for you, it appears that the R56 will be using the 14mm lug bolts that the JCW cars and GP used in late 06. It also appears that they are using the same wheels for a number of the optional wheels, so I don't think there is going to be any problem bolting up a set of R56 wheels to an R53 or vice versa.
Some of the GP guys have bolted up other R53 wheels for winter use, so it appears you'll be able to get the R56 wheels you are desiring.
Drew
Drew
Some of the GP guys have bolted up other R53 wheels for winter use, so it appears you'll be able to get the R56 wheels you are desiring.
Drew
Drew
#6
02-07-2007, 12:46 PM
Not necessarily the same. According to Mini, you can use r56 wheels on r53, but not vice versa. Due to the different design for the run-flat tires. Unofficially, they should work either way, though the lug bolt holes might be bigger for the newer wheels.
#7
02-07-2007, 09:23 PM
4th Gear
Agreed. R53 wheels used 100-4 bolt pattern but used 12mm bolts. R56 hubs must use 14mm; it's not an option. So an aftermarket wheel with large holes would work fine, but a '02-'05 R50,R53 wheel was reported to not mount to a GP.
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#8
02-07-2007, 10:05 PM
I was hoping to find a cheap set of S-Lites and get some dedicated winter ties. Guess I'll have to look at Crown Spokes... or the horseshoe's (can't remember - Bridge Spokes, maybe?).
#9
02-08-2007, 10:38 AM
From MINI UK:
The wheel bolt size isn't a determining factor 
The R56 has a newly developed chassis, which offers significantly improved driving properties in terms of driving dynamics and comfort.
To meet these requirements, optimisation of the wheel rim/tyre combination was also necessary, resulting in the modification of the wheel rim well to EH2+ and the introduction of a new generation run flat tyre.
We therefore need to inform you that although many of the wheel 'designs' have been carried over from the R50/52/53 for the R56, AG has introduced new part numbers for these R56 specific wheel rims/tyre sets which incorporate the EH2+ rim and new generation runflat tyre.
Part numbers for these R56 specific wheel rims and sets are as follows:
Description (R56 Specific)
Part number - single rim
Part number - wheel set
R90 cross spoke silver 16 inch
36.11.6.775.855
36.11.0.422.233
R90 cross spoke composite silver 17 inch
36.11.6.777.968
36.11.0.419.079
R90 cross spoke anthracite 17 inch
36.11.6.777.969
36.11.0.419.080
R99 double spoke silver 17 inch
36.11.6.777.970
36.11.0.419.097
R99 double spoke anthracite 17 inch
36.11.6778.426
36.11.0.419.110
R99 double spoke polished 17 inch
36.11.6.778.427
36.11.0.419.111
R95 JCW star spoke 18 inch
36.11.6.777.972
36.11.0.419.107
R105 JCW double-spoke burnished 18 inch
36.11.6.777.973
36.11.0.419.108
R105 JCW double-spoke black matt 18inch
36.11.6.778.428
36.11.0.419.109
MINI R56 rims (EH2+) and MINI R50/52/53 rims (EH2) have the same external dimensions, e.g. diameter, rim width, offset, hole circle and wheel hub diameter. Therefore it is possible to fit some of the R50/52/53 (EH2) wheel rims/tyre sets with the previous runflat tyre, onto the R56, (as listed in the table directly below). Although the drawback of this is surrendering the significantly improved driving characteristics, driving dynamics and driving comfort offered by the new generation runflat tyre.
Description (R50/52/53) Specific)
Part number - single rim
Part number - wheel set
R90 cross spoke silver 16 inch
36.11.6.759.988
36.11.0.149.256
R90 cross spoke composite silver 17 inch
36.11.6.755.813
36.11.0.028.770
R90 cross spoke anthracite 17 inch
36.11.6.768.580
36.11.0.309.518
R99 double spoke silver 17 inch
36.11.6.767.911
36.11.0.309.285
R99 double spoke anthracite 17 inch
36.11.6.769.608
36.11.0.392.972
R99 double spoke polished 17 inch
36.11.6.769.609
36.11.0.392.973
R95 JCW star spoke 18 inch
36.11.6.764.104
36.11.0.301.837
R105 JCW double-spoke burnished 18 inch
36.11.6.773.196
36.11.0.409.464
R105 JCW double-spoke black matt 18 inch
36.11.6.773.195
36.11.0.409.470
PLEASE NOTE: As an exception to the above, the following EH2 rims (and corresponding complete wheel and tyre sets) from the R50/52/53 listed below cannot be fitted to the R56 because there is insufficient clearance from the new R56 16-inch brake (MINI R56 Cooper S):
Description
Part number - single rim
Part number - wheel set
Steel rims 16 inch
36.11.6.764.346
N/A
R83 5 spider spoke silver 16 inch
36.11.1.512.348
N/A
R84 x-lite 16 inch
36.11.1.512.350
N/A
R88 double spoke 16 inch
36.11.6.755.811
36.11.0.028.769
R90 cross spoke 16 inch
36.11.6.759.988
36.11.0.149.256
R92 7-fin spoke 16 inch
36.11.6.763.297
N/A
To meet these requirements, optimisation of the wheel rim/tyre combination was also necessary, resulting in the modification of the wheel rim well to EH2+ and the introduction of a new generation run flat tyre.
We therefore need to inform you that although many of the wheel 'designs' have been carried over from the R50/52/53 for the R56, AG has introduced new part numbers for these R56 specific wheel rims/tyre sets which incorporate the EH2+ rim and new generation runflat tyre.
Part numbers for these R56 specific wheel rims and sets are as follows:
Description (R56 Specific)
Part number - single rim
Part number - wheel set
R90 cross spoke silver 16 inch
36.11.6.775.855
36.11.0.422.233
R90 cross spoke composite silver 17 inch
36.11.6.777.968
36.11.0.419.079
R90 cross spoke anthracite 17 inch
36.11.6.777.969
36.11.0.419.080
R99 double spoke silver 17 inch
36.11.6.777.970
36.11.0.419.097
R99 double spoke anthracite 17 inch
36.11.6778.426
36.11.0.419.110
R99 double spoke polished 17 inch
36.11.6.778.427
36.11.0.419.111
R95 JCW star spoke 18 inch
36.11.6.777.972
36.11.0.419.107
R105 JCW double-spoke burnished 18 inch
36.11.6.777.973
36.11.0.419.108
R105 JCW double-spoke black matt 18inch
36.11.6.778.428
36.11.0.419.109
MINI R56 rims (EH2+) and MINI R50/52/53 rims (EH2) have the same external dimensions, e.g. diameter, rim width, offset, hole circle and wheel hub diameter. Therefore it is possible to fit some of the R50/52/53 (EH2) wheel rims/tyre sets with the previous runflat tyre, onto the R56, (as listed in the table directly below). Although the drawback of this is surrendering the significantly improved driving characteristics, driving dynamics and driving comfort offered by the new generation runflat tyre.
Description (R50/52/53) Specific)
Part number - single rim
Part number - wheel set
R90 cross spoke silver 16 inch
36.11.6.759.988
36.11.0.149.256
R90 cross spoke composite silver 17 inch
36.11.6.755.813
36.11.0.028.770
R90 cross spoke anthracite 17 inch
36.11.6.768.580
36.11.0.309.518
R99 double spoke silver 17 inch
36.11.6.767.911
36.11.0.309.285
R99 double spoke anthracite 17 inch
36.11.6.769.608
36.11.0.392.972
R99 double spoke polished 17 inch
36.11.6.769.609
36.11.0.392.973
R95 JCW star spoke 18 inch
36.11.6.764.104
36.11.0.301.837
R105 JCW double-spoke burnished 18 inch
36.11.6.773.196
36.11.0.409.464
R105 JCW double-spoke black matt 18 inch
36.11.6.773.195
36.11.0.409.470
PLEASE NOTE: As an exception to the above, the following EH2 rims (and corresponding complete wheel and tyre sets) from the R50/52/53 listed below cannot be fitted to the R56 because there is insufficient clearance from the new R56 16-inch brake (MINI R56 Cooper S):
Description
Part number - single rim
Part number - wheel set
Steel rims 16 inch
36.11.6.764.346
N/A
R83 5 spider spoke silver 16 inch
36.11.1.512.348
N/A
R84 x-lite 16 inch
36.11.1.512.350
N/A
R88 double spoke 16 inch
36.11.6.755.811
36.11.0.028.769
R90 cross spoke 16 inch
36.11.6.759.988
36.11.0.149.256
R92 7-fin spoke 16 inch
36.11.6.763.297
N/A
#11
03-07-2007, 12:33 PM
Both you and SRICHS use the phrase, "according to MINI". Would you please tell us a bit more about your inside information source.
My dealer offered to put 17" Crown Spokes from an '06 MINI on my car to replace the 16" Bridge Spokes that are coming on my new R56 S (due to arrive at any time now). I accepted his offer, thus this topic is improtant to me.
#12
03-07-2007, 12:52 PM
I know the '07 R53 and R56 wheels have this EH2 tweak to the wheel bead design, making tires more difficult to blow themselves off the bead when deflated. Other than that, if the R53 wheels clear the 14mm bolts, and the JCW brakes on the MCS, they should work, as the hub size, bolt pattern and offsets are the same.
#13
03-07-2007, 01:36 PM
Well I have R56 second generation Goodyear Excellence RunOnFlat 195/55R16) tires on my EH2 R84 rims mounted to my '05 R53 MCS. No problems. Just had the car aligned today after having mounted the new tires (Take offs from a new R56 MCS) into my V-spokers. Everything is fine. Not having EH2+ rims does not affect the ability to mount second gen runflats onto R50/53 rims.
#14
03-07-2007, 10:27 PM
4th Gear
Hi Karl,
Both you and SRICHS use the phrase, "according to MINI". Would you please tell us a bit more about your inside information source.
My dealer offered to put 17" Crown Spokes from an '06 MINI on my car to replace the 16" Bridge Spokes that are coming on my new R56 S (due to arrive at any time now). I accepted his offer, thus this topic is improtant to me.
Both you and SRICHS use the phrase, "according to MINI". Would you please tell us a bit more about your inside information source.
My dealer offered to put 17" Crown Spokes from an '06 MINI on my car to replace the 16" Bridge Spokes that are coming on my new R56 S (due to arrive at any time now). I accepted his offer, thus this topic is improtant to me.
My reason for suspecting this problem was that I heard on White Roof Radio that a GP owner (not Todd) had confirmed that he encountered that exact problem when he tried to mount earlier R53 rims to his car. At least that's what I understood them to say on the program.
#17
03-08-2007, 05:45 AM
One important issue that MINI implies from MINIACs official MINI post is that the new gen runflat tires may not perform as designed on the EH2 rims when the tire goes flat. MINI implies these tires need the EH2+ rim. I believe this stems from the new runflats having softer sidewalls and the EH2+ rim having a greater ability to keep that softer sidewall on the rim once the tire is flat.
Hopefully for those like C4 that have the new gen tires on the older rims, this is just important at the very unlikely of cases and will have no effect on him and his family.
EDIT: From what I could find there is nothing that says a tire needs to be mounted on an EH2+ rim. Some companies even allow mounting on any rim but note that EH2 rims are guaranteed to hold the tire down to 0 PSI. It seems EH2+ is an enhancement to EH2. It's just not clear what the enhancement is.
Hopefully for those like C4 that have the new gen tires on the older rims, this is just important at the very unlikely of cases and will have no effect on him and his family.
EDIT: From what I could find there is nothing that says a tire needs to be mounted on an EH2+ rim. Some companies even allow mounting on any rim but note that EH2 rims are guaranteed to hold the tire down to 0 PSI. It seems EH2+ is an enhancement to EH2. It's just not clear what the enhancement is.
#18
03-08-2007, 07:06 AM
inomis, I have spent quite a bit of time this week searching the EH2 and EH2+ specs and so far have found no supporting documentation warning against installing second generation runflats EH2+ on EH2 rims. I went as far as reading all the warnings on the sidewall of my Goodyear Excellence runOnFlats and nothing to that effect. The Goodyear Europe site lists the Goodyear Excellence in 16""and 17"sizes to be fully compatible with the OEM EH2 R50 and R53 rims.
The only pre-requisites listed to install these tires are EH2 rims and either a direct or indirect tire pressure monitoring system.
By the way, I got my R53 fully aligned yesterday and with the new second gen runflats is driving like a champ!
The only pre-requisites listed to install these tires are EH2 rims and either a direct or indirect tire pressure monitoring system.
By the way, I got my R53 fully aligned yesterday and with the new second gen runflats is driving like a champ!
#19
03-08-2007, 07:31 AM
inomis, I have spent quite a bit of time this week searching the EH2 and EH2+ specs and so far have found no supporting documentation warning against installing second generation runflats EH2+ on EH2 rims. I went as far as reading all the warnings on the sidewall of my Goodyear Excellence runOnFlats and nothing to that effect. The Goodyear Europe site lists the Goodyear Excellence in 16""and 17"sizes to be fully compatible with the OEM EH2 R50 and R53 rims.
The only pre-requisites listed to install these tires are EH2 rims and either a direct or indirect tire pressure monitoring system.
The only pre-requisites listed to install these tires are EH2 rims and either a direct or indirect tire pressure monitoring system.
Agree. Maybe the MINI warning is just a bit of CYA from the legal dept.
#21
03-08-2007, 10:35 AM
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Make me an offer form my 07 takeoffs
BTW: They are the same bolt pattern but the lugs have a different thread so you will have to use your lugs.
#24
03-08-2007, 11:24 AM
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#25
03-08-2007, 12:01 PM