BMWCCA Autocross Classification Questions
#1
05-08-2003, 06:37 AM
With such issue as mods related to the supercharger, no stock camber adjustment, and odd stock tire sizes, the MINI (and the cooper S specifically) presents some questions in my mind about how to class the car for BMWCCA.
I'd appreciate your comments on these.
BTW, I'm really starting to think I should register for BS with the following:
Without the voluntary assessment for the pulley, I come out at 113 ( CS )
With the voluntary assessment for the pulley, I come out at 116 ( BS )
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I'd appreciate your comments on these.
BMWCCA points assessment: Engine
Upgraded Chip or Software [3 points]
Non-Stock Air Intake (cone filter, larger carb, HFM, cold air intake) [3 points]
Carburator to Fuel Injection update [8 points]
Upgraded Cam Shaft(s) [13 points]
Forced Induction (SuperChargers, TurboChargers, etc.) [15 points]
Engine Swaps (Must be BMW Engine and Chassis) [20 points]
Upgraded Chip or Software [3 points]
Non-Stock Air Intake (cone filter, larger carb, HFM, cold air intake) [3 points]
Carburator to Fuel Injection update [8 points]
Upgraded Cam Shaft(s) [13 points]
Forced Induction (SuperChargers, TurboChargers, etc.) [15 points]
Engine Swaps (Must be BMW Engine and Chassis) [20 points]
BMWCCA points assessment: Suspension and Brakes
Aftermarket or upgraded Springs (Coilovers or springs) [4 points]
Aftermarket or upgraded Swaybars [4 points]
Aftermarket or upgraded Shocks [3 points]
Non-Stock Camber adjustment of any type [3 points]
E36 X-Brace [2 points]
Strut Brace front OR rear [2 points]
Larger than stock Brake Rotors and/or non-stock Brake Calipers [3 points]
Aftermarket or upgraded Springs (Coilovers or springs) [4 points]
Aftermarket or upgraded Swaybars [4 points]
Aftermarket or upgraded Shocks [3 points]
Non-Stock Camber adjustment of any type [3 points]
E36 X-Brace [2 points]
Strut Brace front OR rear [2 points]
Larger than stock Brake Rotors and/or non-stock Brake Calipers [3 points]
BMWCCA points assessment: Driveline
Non-Stock Gearbox [5 points]
Non-Stock Final Drive [5 points]
Non-Stock Gearbox [5 points]
Non-Stock Final Drive [5 points]
BMWCCA points assessment: Wheels and Tires
Wheel diameter larger than stock size [2 points]
Tire width between 19mm and 30mm over stock size [5 points]
Tire width 30mm or more over stock size [8 points]
Race compound tires (Treadwear rating less than 140)
Wheel diameter larger than stock size [2 points]
Tire width between 19mm and 30mm over stock size [5 points]
Tire width 30mm or more over stock size [8 points]
Race compound tires (Treadwear rating less than 140)
BMWCCA points assessment: Chassis and Bodywork
Wheel wells cutout or widebody kit [3 points]
Any lightening of body or interior (race seats, body components) [6 points]
Wheel wells cutout or widebody kit [3 points]
Any lightening of body or interior (race seats, body components) [6 points]
BTW, I'm really starting to think I should register for BS with the following:
Without the voluntary assessment for the pulley, I come out at 113 ( CS )
With the voluntary assessment for the pulley, I come out at 116 ( BS )
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#2
05-08-2003, 06:57 AM
#3
05-08-2003, 07:01 AM
I think the diameter comment is about running 18's on a car that comes with 16's.
Or say in the case of the MINI: The cooper comes with 15s and 16s, so running 17s would be an assessment. The Cooper S comes with 16s and 17s, so using 18s would be an assessment.
That's my take on the diameter issue. The falkens I think get points for the width, not the diameter.
Or say in the case of the MINI: The cooper comes with 15s and 16s, so running 17s would be an assessment. The Cooper S comes with 16s and 17s, so using 18s would be an assessment.
That's my take on the diameter issue. The falkens I think get points for the width, not the diameter.
#4
05-08-2003, 07:08 AM
But the width of the falkens is only 10mm over the stock 205's right. (Cooper S)
Bmw says between 19mm-30mm over stock. (Kind of weird wording I must say.)
I am sure with time we will get sime more specific rules for the MINI.
And I am sure BS might not want us beating all their cars in that class either
Bmw says between 19mm-30mm over stock. (Kind of weird wording I must say.)
I am sure with time we will get sime more specific rules for the MINI.
And I am sure BS might not want us beating all their cars in that class either
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05-08-2003, 07:10 AM
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05-08-2003, 07:14 AM
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05-08-2003, 07:19 AM
#10
05-08-2003, 07:24 AM
There is no doubt there are some discrepancies.
I am sure we can touch base with the BMW crew and make it more precise for the following year.
My guess is we are a little to far into it this year to change things around.
Your thought process is dead on though. Thanks for the insight.
:smile:
I am sure we can touch base with the BMW crew and make it more precise for the following year.
My guess is we are a little to far into it this year to change things around.
Your thought process is dead on though. Thanks for the insight.
:smile:
#11
05-08-2003, 09:14 AM
I personally believe there should be an assessment for the pulley. It just doesn't seem right that a mod to the engine that makes more power than the intake and comparable power to the ECU gets no points assessed. Another factor is the 15% reduction on the pulley in SCCA would automatically put the MINI in SM (street mod). On the other hand, there are no points added for a non-stock exhaust and the pulley is adding similar power to the magnaflow/quiksilver (12-15 hp).
I think I'm chasing my tail a bit there.
I think I'm chasing my tail a bit there.
#12
05-09-2003, 09:25 PM
From Jeff Sherrard (RMC BMWCCA rules committee)
If a car moves from one class to another, times/points do NOT move! There needs to be 4 finishes in a class to qualify for a season trophy.
Any points changes would become effective this winter season. I won't make any changes during the summer season.
jeff
If a car moves from one class to another, times/points do NOT move! There needs to be 4 finishes in a class to qualify for a season trophy.
Any points changes would become effective this winter season. I won't make any changes during the summer season.
jeff
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