Drivetrain Dinan Comparison: I Thought I was Happy
#102
12-01-2017, 10:38 AM
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#103
12-01-2017, 10:41 AM
Very interesting question.
In America, liability must be established in court. There is no law that says because a car is modified there is a legal problem if there is an accident.
Liability is based on "fault." If it could be shown that, becasue of a modification to the car an accident was caused or the accident was worse becasue of the mod, there might be increased liability.
Insurance companies that provide risk insurance in the event an insured is found liable for damages do often have language buried deeply in their policies that give all sorts of ways out of paying claims.
But the underlying principle is that modifications, de facto, do not void warranties or cause automatic liability or void insurance. Cause and effect must be litigated in such instances.
Another interesting consideration would be type of tuning mod. If the ECU/DME is internally changed (reprogrammed) then a manufacturer or a court could find that the person who did the modification messed with the internal engine management programming (actually altered the program) whereas a plug in box that "tricks" the DME isn't altering the engine management software. Fine point of difference. But, lets say a car suddenly accelerates and it is claimed that an ECU flash messed up the drive-by-wire software program. Whereas a plug in box that tricks a car into thinking more boost is needed to hit unaltered internal ECU/DME parameters..... glad I ain't a lawyer.
Life is not without risk. Putting on a tune of any kind should be done with a caveat emptor approach. You pays your money and you takes your chances.
In America, liability must be established in court. There is no law that says because a car is modified there is a legal problem if there is an accident.
Liability is based on "fault." If it could be shown that, becasue of a modification to the car an accident was caused or the accident was worse becasue of the mod, there might be increased liability.
Insurance companies that provide risk insurance in the event an insured is found liable for damages do often have language buried deeply in their policies that give all sorts of ways out of paying claims.
But the underlying principle is that modifications, de facto, do not void warranties or cause automatic liability or void insurance. Cause and effect must be litigated in such instances.
Another interesting consideration would be type of tuning mod. If the ECU/DME is internally changed (reprogrammed) then a manufacturer or a court could find that the person who did the modification messed with the internal engine management programming (actually altered the program) whereas a plug in box that "tricks" the DME isn't altering the engine management software. Fine point of difference. But, lets say a car suddenly accelerates and it is claimed that an ECU flash messed up the drive-by-wire software program. Whereas a plug in box that tricks a car into thinking more boost is needed to hit unaltered internal ECU/DME parameters..... glad I ain't a lawyer.
Life is not without risk. Putting on a tune of any kind should be done with a caveat emptor approach. You pays your money and you takes your chances.
Thanks for that complete answer
#105
12-01-2017, 11:12 AM
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#106
12-01-2017, 12:00 PM
#107
12-01-2017, 12:37 PM
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#110
12-01-2017, 12:51 PM
#111
12-01-2017, 12:57 PM
That's it.
In case of a major accident, with dead people, for example.
In France, your car has to be strictly in original condition.
You have no right to change anything concerning the brakes, the engine performances........................!!
Is it the same for you, or do you have a more liberal legislation ?
In case of a major accident, with dead people, for example.
In France, your car has to be strictly in original condition.
You have no right to change anything concerning the brakes, the engine performances........................!!
Is it the same for you, or do you have a more liberal legislation ?
We should make breathalyzers mandatory like France!!!
#113
12-01-2017, 12:59 PM
On a lighter note. I just got another email from ECS with a tracking number! Expected delivery, Pearl Harbor Day.
WooHoo!
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#116
12-01-2017, 02:56 PM
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[QUOTE=vetsvette;4349420]After you pass 70 (not MPH) you tend to think in shorter terms and don't want to waste any more time than absolutely necessary. /QUOTE]
I once did a training for people working in oncology. They got tweaked with me when I stressed the importance of seeing patients at their appointment time. I got push back, including some legit comments about needing to take as much time as was necessary to ensure quality of care for every patient -- needing to take the time to answer questions and offer support, etc. This often causes things to run late. Had to agree, but I did point out that, as we get older, and/or are staring the Grim Reaper eyeball to eyeball, those remaining heartbeats have a way of becoming more valuable to a person who knows he/she doesn't have many good ones left.
Which is why we drive fun cars.... with tuning boxes
I once did a training for people working in oncology. They got tweaked with me when I stressed the importance of seeing patients at their appointment time. I got push back, including some legit comments about needing to take as much time as was necessary to ensure quality of care for every patient -- needing to take the time to answer questions and offer support, etc. This often causes things to run late. Had to agree, but I did point out that, as we get older, and/or are staring the Grim Reaper eyeball to eyeball, those remaining heartbeats have a way of becoming more valuable to a person who knows he/she doesn't have many good ones left.
Which is why we drive fun cars.... with tuning boxes
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vetsvette (12-01-2017)
#119
12-02-2017, 10:28 AM
#121
12-02-2017, 11:05 AM
Ok
This is not at all like the Sport.
The Sport is a one trick pony, it kicks hard at first, then that’s it.
The Elite doesnt do that it’s very linear, at first you think, not impressed,
but come to realize it doesn’t stop.
I was mostly amazed at the pull between 60 and 100
mph.
Be aware it takes 15 or so miles for the DME
to initially set its parameters after installl.
Where I’m bummed out is the Auto trans programming
needs help. It’s prigrammed for the basic power.
Feels like short shifts before the sweet spot.
But manual mode is well appreciated.
AND the bypass module fits in my hidden glove box!!!
This is not at all like the Sport.
The Sport is a one trick pony, it kicks hard at first, then that’s it.
The Elite doesnt do that it’s very linear, at first you think, not impressed,
but come to realize it doesn’t stop.
I was mostly amazed at the pull between 60 and 100
mph.
Be aware it takes 15 or so miles for the DME
to initially set its parameters after installl.
Where I’m bummed out is the Auto trans programming
needs help. It’s prigrammed for the basic power.
Feels like short shifts before the sweet spot.
But manual mode is well appreciated.
AND the bypass module fits in my hidden glove box!!!
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#122
12-02-2017, 01:24 PM
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