Engine spins but it won't start! HELP
#26
If you removed the fuse and the element was visibly open then I am curious how you tested the fuse with the light, did you touch the test probe to both sides of the fuse and it lit up both times?
there should be power on the feed side of the fuse, but if its blown there will not be power on the other side.
Also prior to replacing the pump, with the connector on the pump exposed did you verify that there was no battery voltage getting to the pump connector?
The good side is the problem is resolved; if your LTFT was high and after a few hours of operation with the new pump the values go back closer to zero, this is a strong indication that the old pump was weak (not dead) and probably needed replacing anyway!
there should be power on the feed side of the fuse, but if its blown there will not be power on the other side.
Also prior to replacing the pump, with the connector on the pump exposed did you verify that there was no battery voltage getting to the pump connector?
The good side is the problem is resolved; if your LTFT was high and after a few hours of operation with the new pump the values go back closer to zero, this is a strong indication that the old pump was weak (not dead) and probably needed replacing anyway!
Last edited by frenchie; 03-05-2009 at 04:48 PM.
#27
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#28
I had the same issue once with the fuse, what caused mine to short out was the post cat o2 sensor. I had installed a header, and the clearance between the o2 sensor's wiring and the heatshield was practically non-existent. I didn't think anything of it, but after I started up the car, it ran fine, drove back to the house, turned it off, then went to start again a bit later, and nothing.
Turns out, the o2 sensor shorted out while rubbing against the heat shield, and in turn shorted out the fuse and/or relay (I can't remember which) that the fuel pump was on. Go figure.
It maybe something worth looking at underneath, just to see if there is any noticeable damage to the o2 sensor or wiring.
Turns out, the o2 sensor shorted out while rubbing against the heat shield, and in turn shorted out the fuse and/or relay (I can't remember which) that the fuel pump was on. Go figure.
It maybe something worth looking at underneath, just to see if there is any noticeable damage to the o2 sensor or wiring.
#29
[/quote]Also prior to replacing the pump, with the connector on the pump exposed did you verify that there was no battery voltage getting to the pump connector?[/quote]
Questionable. I couldn't tell from the wiring diagram whether the voltage comes directly to the pump terminal pair or is fed through one of the tank level sensor terminals. I assume the pump is always hot and is activated by completing the ground connection. One sensor terminal was hot. I was able to establish that the other wires were connected to something (either ground, a device or another wire?) with an ohmeter. There was no voltage through either of the center terminals of the harness socket.
[/quote] The good side is the problem is resolved; if your LTFT was high and after a few hours of operation with the new pump the values go back closer to zero, this is a strong indication that the old pump was weak (not dead) and probably needed replacing anyway![/quote]
What is my LTFT?
#30
#31
Vindication, Not
Wife rousted me out of bed way too early this morning: "THE CAR WON'T START AGAIN " Went out in my pj's cause I knew it would only take a second to change out the fuse. Pulled the fuse, looked at it, held it up to a light, used a magnifying glass . . . fuse perfectly okay. Even took a known working 20A from the door lock and same problem - dead fuel pump, BTW - we need an emoticon with tears streaming down it's face. I'm gonna get to the bottom of this f@#$ker and get back to you with the hidden secret solution of yet another cosmic maddening Mini malfunctioned motoring madness mystery (that's why I sleep in).
#33
#35
I'll be putting her up on ramps and checking every inch of the underside and the engine bay for any sign of bare wires.
The fuse was a warning. The problem still lurks.
My thanks again to all who helped. I brag about this site to all MINI drivers I meet.
BTW - I know now the the entire left side of the fuse panel on the driver's side is lined with spare fuses of different amperages.
The fuse was a warning. The problem still lurks.
My thanks again to all who helped. I brag about this site to all MINI drivers I meet.
BTW - I know now the the entire left side of the fuse panel on the driver's side is lined with spare fuses of different amperages.
#36
testers test potential (voltage) not current flow . so yes you proved voltage was present . put the tester pointer on one side and clip to ground . lites . then put tester pointer on other side to ground . lites? no ? bad fuse . going across the fuse, if it lites , fuse bad . if dimm could be good fuse, deoends on tester resistance . multi meter is best .
#37
Corrosion will introduce more resistance into the circuit!
More resistance means less current in circuit.
Less current will not cause the fuse to blow!
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