High Pressure Fuel Pump Replacement
#101
Okay guys then my serv advisor is lying to me. He seems like a nice guy, but he is learning to lie like everybody in the dealer. He told me this was hpfp. Supposely tommorrow will be ready, and i will talk to him. And can you believe it has been a week. I also had an issue with the top and they are denying warranty. But can beleive that after week the mini rep hasn't been able to talk the deler.
You should simply contact Mini directly and advise them of what you have been told. Mini has shown itself to be honorable when they are confronted with this type of situation. Give them a chance.
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BMW is in hot water over the failures of the HPFP
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/26/a...ms-lawsuits-w/
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/10/26/a...ms-lawsuits-w/
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#110
Whether the recall includes a better HPFP is questionable. It does include however an ECU reprogramming on top of the HPFP replacement, which in BMW turbo engines is notorious for making the engine feel less powerful. If I'm not mistaken, the drop in engine power with reprogramming is part of the class action lawsuits against BMW.
After my first HPFP replacement (on the MCS) I did notice a drop in engine power, but thought it was my imagination playing tricks on me until I read that BMW owners were experiencing the same problem (that was after having the MCS bought back by BMW).
If I owned an MCS with a trouble-free HPFP I would be weary of having the recall performed.
With hindsight I now understand why my MINI/BMW dealer suggested I stay away from turbo engines on my second MINI.
PS. Fuel pump on MC is electronic delivering 5 bar pressure vs. mechanical 2-piston fuel pump delivering 120 bar pressure on the MCS. Ref http://new.minimania.com/web/SCatago...8/ArticleV.cfm This is a 24-fold difference between the MC and MCS. How many other engine components have similar differentials?
After my first HPFP replacement (on the MCS) I did notice a drop in engine power, but thought it was my imagination playing tricks on me until I read that BMW owners were experiencing the same problem (that was after having the MCS bought back by BMW).
If I owned an MCS with a trouble-free HPFP I would be weary of having the recall performed.
With hindsight I now understand why my MINI/BMW dealer suggested I stay away from turbo engines on my second MINI.
PS. Fuel pump on MC is electronic delivering 5 bar pressure vs. mechanical 2-piston fuel pump delivering 120 bar pressure on the MCS. Ref http://new.minimania.com/web/SCatago...8/ArticleV.cfm This is a 24-fold difference between the MC and MCS. How many other engine components have similar differentials?
Last edited by R3R; 10-26-2010 at 08:44 PM.
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Okay, I've got a question for you all. I received an email yesterday from one of my local club members (I'm president of the Houston club), who said his mechanic recommended a computer flash for his '09 MCS. My friend was told that "MINI corporate is recommending it for all turbos because U.S. fuel is not the same quality as European fuel." I don't know if this is a dealer or not (he has 26,000 miles on it), but it was to be at his expense, and the cost is $269.
Is this BS? He's had no problems with his car, according to his note to me. It's in the shop for a sunroof problem, and that's when the tech mentioned it.
Comments?
Is this BS? He's had no problems with his car, according to his note to me. It's in the shop for a sunroof problem, and that's when the tech mentioned it.
Comments?
#112
Unfortunately, BMW has not found a solution to their HPFP issue, and the fuel pumps they are replacing in their BMW recall effort are identical to the ones they are taking out. This is also the case with the MINI HPFP. Therefore, even if (like me) you have had your HPFP replaced, you are certainly not immune from it happening again.
#113
Hpfp Rip
Mine died at 65k. I had it fixed and paid @$1500. When I got the letter explaining the extended warranty I called Mini USA. Told them when it was repaired and at what dealer. 4 weeks later I got a full reimbursement from Mini.
I have also had the cold start "final, official, this time we really mean it" fix performed outside of warranty.
I guess it pays to be very clear with your dealer and have an audit trail of issues throughout the cars life.
I have also had the cold start "final, official, this time we really mean it" fix performed outside of warranty.
I guess it pays to be very clear with your dealer and have an audit trail of issues throughout the cars life.
#115
HPFP & more
Mine died at 65k. I had it fixed and paid @$1500. When I got the letter explaining the extended warranty I called Mini USA. Told them when it was repaired and at what dealer. 4 weeks later I got a full reimbursement from Mini.
I have also had the cold start "final, official, this time we really mean it" fix performed outside of warranty.
I guess it pays to be very clear with your dealer and have an audit trail of issues throughout the cars life.
I have also had the cold start "final, official, this time we really mean it" fix performed outside of warranty.
I guess it pays to be very clear with your dealer and have an audit trail of issues throughout the cars life.
The 15% fuel garbage is a travesty. The farmers get paid and we get the shaft, and it's NOT a drive shaft. Try to reverse the juggernaut of Big Oil and the Government....
Stephen
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That's part of your warranty, too. Besides the tow, if you are over 100 miles from home when it fails, your expenses are covered. Call the 800 number and tell them you are "activating the trip interruption policy." That starts the ball rolling for motel and food expenses to be reimbursed. I think you're covered for up to $1000 (or something like that) in expenses, per incident--just save your receipts.
I had to use it in Albuquerque last year when our water pump started leaking, and MINI USA covered our motel and dinner expenses, no questions asked.
I had to use it in Albuquerque last year when our water pump started leaking, and MINI USA covered our motel and dinner expenses, no questions asked.
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#121
I wonder if the HPFP failure could be related to the 10% ethanol content in gas (petrol) here in the US.
This is one of the reasons I add Techron to gas at fill up at about 3000 mi and the car seems to run smoothly and efficiently
Anyone could comment on HPFP reliability in Europe or other areas where gas has no mandatory ethanol content?
This is one of the reasons I add Techron to gas at fill up at about 3000 mi and the car seems to run smoothly and efficiently
Anyone could comment on HPFP reliability in Europe or other areas where gas has no mandatory ethanol content?
#122
It is the same faulty HPFP here regardless of the better "ethanol free" fuel.
Mine was replaced at 35000 miles with a new one which I paid for (at a special price of 350€) because here in Europe it is out of the two year factory Warranty.
The only signs for HPFP failure was that I had 5-10% less power and no other faults or cels or anything.
It is been a month now without problems.
Hopefully will stay that way...
Mine was replaced at 35000 miles with a new one which I paid for (at a special price of 350€) because here in Europe it is out of the two year factory Warranty.
The only signs for HPFP failure was that I had 5-10% less power and no other faults or cels or anything.
It is been a month now without problems.
Hopefully will stay that way...
#123
The other side of the Pond
It is the same faulty HPFP here regardless of the better "ethanol free" fuel.
Mine was replaced at 35000 miles with a new one which I paid for (at a special price of 350€) because here in Europe it is out of the two year factory Warranty.
The only signs for HPFP failure was that I had 5-10% less power and no other faults or cels or anything.
It is been a month now without problems.
Hopefully will stay that way...
Mine was replaced at 35000 miles with a new one which I paid for (at a special price of 350€) because here in Europe it is out of the two year factory Warranty.
The only signs for HPFP failure was that I had 5-10% less power and no other faults or cels or anything.
It is been a month now without problems.
Hopefully will stay that way...
Stephen
#124
The new pump was a new coded pump, different part number than the factory fitted. If you search www.realoem.com you will find the part number that is valid. There is surely no visual difference between the two pumps.
P.s: my car is a October/2007 production date.
#125
Hpfp
I don't know if there is an aftermarket meter that can show from 50 to 130 bars of fuel pressure! If there is one, please let me know because it will be very handy...
The new pump was a new coded pump, different part number than the factory fitted. If you search www.realoem.com you will find the part number that is valid. There is surely no visual difference between the two pumps.
P.s: my car is a October/2007 production date.
The new pump was a new coded pump, different part number than the factory fitted. If you search www.realoem.com you will find the part number that is valid. There is surely no visual difference between the two pumps.
P.s: my car is a October/2007 production date.
http://www.scangauge.com/ This might be the least expensive way to get all info and be able to clear codes as well.
Stephen