New 2011 MCS Concern
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New 2011 MCS Concern
I am about to seal the deal on a 2011 MCS with manual transmission. I have been trying to do my homework and learn about the potential pitfalls of the vehicle. I know that people don't necessarily come to a forum to express their happiness with the way things are working but I am a bit concerned in that I see a ton of threads about potentially serious issues.
Pardon my ignorance but are these cars really as unreliable as it might seem from browsing around the forums or are we just naturally inclined to read about it moreso since, after all, that is one things the forum is for. I know the entire NA motoring forum probably represents < 1 % of the total MINI population so my gut tells me its not all bad.
Thanks.
Pardon my ignorance but are these cars really as unreliable as it might seem from browsing around the forums or are we just naturally inclined to read about it moreso since, after all, that is one things the forum is for. I know the entire NA motoring forum probably represents < 1 % of the total MINI population so my gut tells me its not all bad.
Thanks.
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For what it's worth, I've been driving my 2011 MCS daily since I picked it up, have several thousand miles on her, and haven't had any issues.
Now I also have good friends with a 2010 Clubman S who have had several issues, between carbon build up and the fuel pump, in less than one year of ownership. I'm hoping that the 2011 fixed some of those issues with the redesign, but time will tell.
I think, as you suggest, we hear about the issues (and solutions) on great forums like these, but we don't hear about all the absolutely normal good days of fun motoring.
Now I also have good friends with a 2010 Clubman S who have had several issues, between carbon build up and the fuel pump, in less than one year of ownership. I'm hoping that the 2011 fixed some of those issues with the redesign, but time will tell.
I think, as you suggest, we hear about the issues (and solutions) on great forums like these, but we don't hear about all the absolutely normal good days of fun motoring.
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Yeah you have to realize that is what the forum is for. When people need help or want to b*tch, they turn here.... Nobody really posts about how they have reliably made it to work for 18 months or something lol.
Yes they have more problems than a Civic and others, but they are certainly not all going to be lemons. Id be prepared to take it in once or twice for something to get fixed or tweaked during the warranty.
Yes they have more problems than a Civic and others, but they are certainly not all going to be lemons. Id be prepared to take it in once or twice for something to get fixed or tweaked during the warranty.
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I have been going back and forth over a decision on a 2011 MCS or a Countryman S. They both have the same turbo motor. The 2011 engine has a number of improvements over the previous engine. I think some of the changes made are to address the carbon buildup issue and the turbo failure issue. Hopefully they got it right this time. I have noticed that as other problems came up with this engine, that BMW/Mini seemed to quickly engineer a fix. i.e. Cold start, melting hood scoop, death rattle, etc.
I keep my cars for a long time and many of the complaints voiced in this forum have also made me question my decision about jumping in. I am concerned as you, at least you get 50k warranty to see if you have a lemon. One thing just keeps bringing me back and won't let me get away, drive a MCS and then go test a few other cars, no other car puts the grin on my face and makes feel young and wild like this car does. I am worried, but I am 99% sure I will buy one anyway.
I keep my cars for a long time and many of the complaints voiced in this forum have also made me question my decision about jumping in. I am concerned as you, at least you get 50k warranty to see if you have a lemon. One thing just keeps bringing me back and won't let me get away, drive a MCS and then go test a few other cars, no other car puts the grin on my face and makes feel young and wild like this car does. I am worried, but I am 99% sure I will buy one anyway.
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I know everyone's incredibly sick of me saying this, but there IS a reason why MINIs don't have good reliability on any major reliability reports out there. It's not because the only people with problems are on forums.
You DO take a risk when you buy a MINI. It's up to you whether that's worth it or not. I've had loads of niggling little problems with mine (a 2010), and two friends who have MINIs (a 2007 and a 2009) are selling theirs due to many problems. Sometimes I consider selling it, but then when I drive it I think, "Well, maybe I'll just wait a little longer."
Look at Consumer Reports, J.D. Power, etc., etc. It's not just the forums, I'm afraid to say. But heck, you might get a good one...it's just a calculated risk. I'm not being cynical or negative at all -- reality isn't always pretty! Of course there are plenty of people who haven't had any problems, but that's to be expected. There's just not really any other option out there like a MINI, so you just need to decide if you want to take the risk or not.
You DO take a risk when you buy a MINI. It's up to you whether that's worth it or not. I've had loads of niggling little problems with mine (a 2010), and two friends who have MINIs (a 2007 and a 2009) are selling theirs due to many problems. Sometimes I consider selling it, but then when I drive it I think, "Well, maybe I'll just wait a little longer."
Look at Consumer Reports, J.D. Power, etc., etc. It's not just the forums, I'm afraid to say. But heck, you might get a good one...it's just a calculated risk. I'm not being cynical or negative at all -- reality isn't always pretty! Of course there are plenty of people who haven't had any problems, but that's to be expected. There's just not really any other option out there like a MINI, so you just need to decide if you want to take the risk or not.
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I drove my 2010 S for a year with zero issues. My 2011 JCW has about 4k on it and no issues to date. It did 2 days at Thunder Hill and put down some impressive times for a stock Mini. Fast after the Jan Tune. The Mini is way to much fun. My Maserati is doing a lot of sitting while I play with the MINI.
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But in my experience, the BRG cars often have to go get parts for the chili red ones. But then, that's just based on my limited personal experience, of course. Approaching 30K miles of trouble-free BRG performance. Congrats on the new delivery.
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Some of the negative ratings are also due to the Minis "unique" controls that some people for some reason have trouble figuring out. This causes the JD Powers rating to be so low. Even Consumer reports will downgrade cars if their controls are confusing.
Ive had mine for over a year, and its been very reliable, and the most fun car I have ever owned.
Ive had mine for over a year, and its been very reliable, and the most fun car I have ever owned.
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I was about to say the same- '08 MCS, Chili Red and the only problem I've had was the window anti-pinch deal, 3 minute reprogram that resulted in a free oil change and rear wiper blade- not to mention the chrome MINI license plate insert I picked up, so all's well. So, it's obviously a color choice issue. I drove the car in England for the first 2 years- plenty of cold mornings, but I've only had a handful of noisy starts, but no loss in performance/other strange behavior. Still, I'll probably go ahead and get it checked out just to be sure the tensioner issue isn't gonna be a problem, but no issues so far. In my opinion, it's like any other car- if you take care of it, it'll do you right. If you neglect it, you're gonna replace it sooner than you'd hoped.
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Replaced Timing Chain at 24K
My 2008 MINI has been maintenance free until I took it in for its normal (free) maintenance and they told me the timing chain was out of spec. Replaced same day and back on the road...again, no charge. Was a little concerned with a timing chain going out that soon but I love my MINI sooooo much I have a Countryman due in next week. Wouldn't think of owning anything else.
Countryman AWD, Cold Weather Package, Sports Package, Convenience Package, Premium Package, Adaptive Xenon lights, White w/Black roof, and 18" Star double spoke star black rims.
Countryman AWD, Cold Weather Package, Sports Package, Convenience Package, Premium Package, Adaptive Xenon lights, White w/Black roof, and 18" Star double spoke star black rims.
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Some of the negative ratings are also due to the Minis "unique" controls that some people for some reason have trouble figuring out. This causes the JD Powers rating to be so low. Even Consumer reports will downgrade cars if their controls are confusing.
Ive had mine for over a year, and its been very reliable, and the most fun car I have ever owned.
Ive had mine for over a year, and its been very reliable, and the most fun car I have ever owned.
No need to argue this, and it doesn't mean the car is any less fun to drive or own -- it's simply a fact, however. If luck is on your side then you're golden.
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