Idle Misfire & Surging
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Idle Misfire & Surging
I'm having a bit of trouble with my R56S, the problem has only just cropped up today.
What's going on is:
Idle is rough - every 2-3 seconds there's a drop in RPM from the 800 idle to about 700 and a shake through the whole car.
When stationary, the car will hold RPM above 3k without a problem, but anything below and the "roughness" from idle is more noticeable.
Some surging when under slight throttle.
There isn't a CEL, but I've connected my ODB scanner and used Torque to scan - it's showing a misfire on cylinder 4 (the other 3 are normal) and a test fail for "Fuel System Monitor Bank 1".
The car's got a little over 68k on it, and is an '07.
I've had a google for the symptoms, but the causes seem to vary from the HPFP to carbon build up, to burnt exhaust valves. Is it a reasonable guess that with the fuel system test fail that the HPFP is on the way out?
(The car's booked in with Mini for Tuesday, so I'll know more then, but thought someone more knowledgeable would be able to prepare me before handing it over to the dealership)
What's going on is:
Idle is rough - every 2-3 seconds there's a drop in RPM from the 800 idle to about 700 and a shake through the whole car.
When stationary, the car will hold RPM above 3k without a problem, but anything below and the "roughness" from idle is more noticeable.
Some surging when under slight throttle.
There isn't a CEL, but I've connected my ODB scanner and used Torque to scan - it's showing a misfire on cylinder 4 (the other 3 are normal) and a test fail for "Fuel System Monitor Bank 1".
MID:$81 TID:$7c
- Fuel System Monitor Bank 1
Max: -24,576 Min: 8,304
Test result value: 31,872
FAIL
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- Fuel System Monitor Bank 1
Max: -24,576 Min: 8,304
Test result value: 31,872
FAIL
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I've had a google for the symptoms, but the causes seem to vary from the HPFP to carbon build up, to burnt exhaust valves. Is it a reasonable guess that with the fuel system test fail that the HPFP is on the way out?
(The car's booked in with Mini for Tuesday, so I'll know more then, but thought someone more knowledgeable would be able to prepare me before handing it over to the dealership)
#2
Start by pulling the plug. All the other things you mentioned can be an issue and can cause your problems. Run some Techron thru it and see if it clears up because maybe a injector is clogged. I hope IMO you have been running 91 octane or better. Do you have a warranty still? I hope so if it turns out to be one of the more major things causing it. Good luck and keep us posted.
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Well if the plug does not help, try moving around the coils and see if the problem follow it. IF it does you have your answer. If the plugs and coil are fine, you could have a bigger problem. I would guess at the HPFP or carbon build up as being the problem. Usually you will get a CEL with any of these issues. Good luck
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Maybe a fuel injector? I don't claim to be a mechanical expert or anything, but my BMW 335i (turbo) has had two problems similar to what you're describing. One time it was the high pressure fuel pump and fuel injector. The second time was a fuel injector. Replaced 4 of my 6 injectors and I think I'm about read to replace the next two...
Good luck and post the results!
Good luck and post the results!
#9
Thanks for the heads up.
It's in on Tuesday for a few hours for them to have a look, will report back then! It's not much worse since Thursday. I've got a long list of notes to give to MINI about what's been happening. Will be posting the results when I know, hopefully it'll help other people diagnose the problem/s later on!
It's in on Tuesday for a few hours for them to have a look, will report back then! It's not much worse since Thursday. I've got a long list of notes to give to MINI about what's been happening. Will be posting the results when I know, hopefully it'll help other people diagnose the problem/s later on!
#11
As promised, an update: Mini had it for 2 hours today, in that time they verified the misfire, swapped the coil for cylinder 1 with 4 - the misfire stayed on cylinder 4, so it's not the coil packs.
It's back on Thursday for the whole day for them to start taking things apart, tech suggested it could be burnt exhaust valves.
UPDATE: After Mini replaced the spark plugs, all is well.
It's back on Thursday for the whole day for them to start taking things apart, tech suggested it could be burnt exhaust valves.
UPDATE: After Mini replaced the spark plugs, all is well.
Last edited by NeuralCord; 06-07-2013 at 09:17 AM.
#12
always good to interpret the spark plugs when pulling them out, they are super easy to replace anyway. over time and through detonation the plug gap can widen causing it to be out of range, and cause misfire. if it got to that point of misfire because the plug was worn with a gap too big then it's safe to say that cylinder received quite a bit of knocking before it was worn so bad to miss. FYI spark plug intervals are recommended every 60k miles. I do them before then though since they're so easy to replace and not super expensive.
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As it turns out, MR CHOW has a cracked piston and needs a new engine at 55K miles. My MINI dealership is trying to get some help from MINI USA.
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